Explosions in Norway

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therealUT said:
Post the entire Books, please. You know as well as I that those verses are prefaced by qualifying such infidels as are forcing their religion on Muslims and oppressing Muslims. Thanks again.
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Nice try but not even close. I'm not gonna put the entire quaran on here, good grief. Their parables even call for violance.
Hell man, their entire religion is based on it. You should read more about it. And then travel to the mid east as I have many times. You're a fool to think otherwise.
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VolBeef88 said:
Nice try but not even close. I'm not gonna put the entire quaran on here, good grief. Their parables even call for violance.
Hell man, their entire religion is based on it. You should read more about it. And then travel to the mid east as I have many times. You're a fool to think otherwise.
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Lol
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#153
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VolBeef88 said:
Nice try but not even close. I'm not gonna put the entire quaran on here, good grief. Their parables even call for violance.
Hell man, their entire religion is based on it. You should read more about it. And then travel to the mid east as I have many times. You're a fool to think otherwise.
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Good retort. I will post the entire Book of Joshua for you later tonight.
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#154
#154
The Fox News.com lead in...

Anders Behring Breivik, who police say can be seen above walking among his victims, is a vegetable grower with anti-Muslim views — and now is accused of killing at least 92 in the capital bombing and youth camp shooting.
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Wouldn't shock me at all if he were a FRP party member...if I remember, part of their platform was against the islamization of Norway...
 
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gsvol said:
You wanted something that quoted a police report.
You got it.





I havn't speculated one way or the other but if indeed
this turns out to be as LG and Unreal characterize the
event, that will be one vs over 17,000 islamic terrorist
events since 9/11.






Again, OKC was NOT a one man alone act.

It's true that the FBI shut down it's investigation as
soon as McVeigh and Nichols were arrested and never
questioned known associates of the two who were
of mideaster origin.

INS Deported bin Laden Brother-in-Law Just Days After OKC Bombing
(link to the original article doesn't work, takes you to a
foreign language page.)



Archived-Articles: Confession of the Oklahoma City Bomber: John Doe 2 Exists



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JaynaDavis.com: From Middle America to The Middle East

Jayna Davis was the first journalist on the scene
after the bombing and followed up extensively.

Controversy Over Alleged Islamic Ties to Oklahoma City Bombing Continues (Jayna strikes back!)
(link to original no longer works)



James Woolsey CIA director in sworn testimony to
congress endorsed Davis work.

“When the full stories of these two incidents (1993 WTC
bombing and the 1995 OKC bombing) are finally told,
those who permitted the investigations to stop short
will owe big explanations to these two brave women.
And the nation will owe them a debt of gratitude.”
James Woolsey CIA director.
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Abortion clinics were bombed by whom...???
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lawgator1 said:
When a Muslim commits an act like this, you call him a religious terrorist.

When a ultra fringe fundamentalist Christian does it, you just call him crazy.

This is the point of my posts in the subject. Any religion can be tortured to justify violence. The people who do so are ALL crazy.
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Ultimately it boils down to the motivation. If the terror was committed in the name of the religion (e.g. most Islamic terrorism) then it is religious terrorism.

If a terrorist happens to belong to a religion but is not committing the act in the name of that religion it is not religious terrorism.

If this bastage did his horrible deed in the name of Christianity then it indeed was religious terrorism. If it was because he was a right winger then it was political terrorism.
 
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therealUT said:
Good retort. I will post the entire Book of Joshua for you later tonight.
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While you're getting ready to post your defense of the "religion of peace" could you please also show us some clips of Christians celebrating this bombing or (the libs other favorite) the OKC bombing by dancing in the streets and singing and praising the bombers as heroes like muslims around the world did after 911? Could you also show us clips of Christian leaders praising this or the OKC bombing like muslim leaders did after 911 or like they did after the Mumbai attacks or the London attacks or any of the other host of attacks from those peace loving islamists?
I'd really like to see it.
Thanks in advance.
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volinbham said:
Was Labour sympathetic to Islam (or perceived that way)?
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It's largely tied to immigration. The ruling labor party has a more inclusive, open immigration policy. There are a fair number of Islamic immigrants in Norway. I'm not sure whether it starts with anti-immigration or anti-Islam, or just the two building on each other, but there exists that tension.

The FrP is apparently the second largest party in Norway, so it's not exactly a fringe group...so I could be off on my association here. But, something didn't strike me as quite right about some of their rhetoric..
 
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TennTradition said:
It's largely tied to immigration. The ruling labor party has a more inclusive, open immigration policy. There are a fair number of Islamic immigrants in Norway. I'm not sure whether it starts with anti-immigration or anti-Islam, or just the two building on each other, but there exists that tension.

The FrP is apparently the second largest party in Norway, so it's not exactly a fringe group...so I could be off on my association here. But, something didn't strike me as quite right about some of their rhetoric..
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You're correct and that same sentiment has spread all over Europe. Hell even in France, the mecca for the libs in the U.S.
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VolBeef88 said:
While you're getting ready to post your defense of the "religion of peace" could you please also show us some clips of Christians celebrating this bombing or (the libs other favorite) the OKC bombing by dancing in the streets and singing and praising the bombers as heroes like muslims around the world did after 911? Could you also show us clips of Christian leaders praising this or the OKC bombing like muslim leaders did after 911 or like they did after the Mumbai attacks or the London attacks or any of the other host of attacks from those peace loving islamists?
I'd really like to see it.
Thanks in advance.
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If you want to change th subject, then feel free to include the mass socioeconomic differences between the modern Christian world and the Arab world. Allow political exploitation and educatio (indoctrination) into the debate. Allow subSaharan Africa into the discussion.

If you do not want to change the subject then understand that celebrations do not kill people. Bombing an abortion clinic is an act of Christian terrorism; as it stands, it appears this atrocity in Norway is an act of Christian anti-Muslim terrorism. Many of the atrocities in subSaharan Africa are the result of Christian terrorism.

Good night.
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therealUT said:
If you want to change th subject, then feel free to include the mass socioeconomic differences between the modern Christian world and the Arab world. Allow political exploitation and educatio (indoctrination) into the debate. Allow subSaharan Africa into the discussion.

If you do not want to change the subject then understand that celebrations do not kill people. Bombing an abortion clinic is an act of Christian terrorism; as it stands, it appears this atrocity in Norway is an act of Christian anti-Muslim terrorism. Many of the atrocities in subSaharan Africa are the result of Christian terrorism.

Good night.
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WTFE! I love how those you in the blame America first crowd will do anything to defend muslims and blame the woes of the world on Christians and Jews.
Facts really suck huh...
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#164
Bham, the problem with your theory is that it qualifies the craziness.
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#165
#165
therealUT said:
If you want to change th subject, then feel free to include the mass socioeconomic differences between the modern Christian world and the Arab world. Allow political exploitation and educatio (indoctrination) into the debate. Allow subSaharan Africa into the discussion.

If you do not want to change the subject then understand that celebrations do not kill people. Bombing an abortion clinic is an act of Christian terrorism; as it stands, it appears this atrocity in Norway is an act of Christian anti-Muslim terrorism. Many of the atrocities in subSaharan Africa are the result of Christian terrorism.

Good night.
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And yes you are correct, celebrations don't kill people. But when tens of thousands of Muslims dance and celebrate in the streets of numerous muslim countries when a fellow member of their "religion of peace" kills innocent people via a cowardly act of terrorism and when leaders of the "religion of peace" not only encourage such attacks publicly but then call those who carry out such attacks heroes it shows us where they are. Well it shows those of of us who don't seem to LIVE to find excuses for muslims while finding any fault with true religions of peace.
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#166
To find a "true religion of peace" you'll have to look to the far east.
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#170
I can say with certainty that Norway will not impose reactionary legislation after these events, a la The Patriot Act.
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VOLatile said:
And Christians infiltrate their society and spread propoganda. Your point?
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All religions try to convert, all. To compare trying to convert with killing thousands and destroying their shrines is like apples and oranges. Nice try but not even close to being the same.
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VOLatile said:
I can say with certainty that Norway will not impose reactionary legislation after these events, a la The Patriot Act.
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It will be interesting to see what the result is. A good number of my Norwegian friends on facebook have been joining Jens Stoltenberg's facebook page and "liking" the labor party.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
All religions try to convert, all. To compare trying to convert with killing thousands and destroying their shrines is like apples and oranges. Nice try but not even close to being the same.
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Taoists and Jainists try to convert other religions? You so funny. The big three or four try to convert, the others just live their own way. I'm not arguing in favor of Islam at all, I'm just saying that spreading propaganda in unwanted territory is stupid.
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VOLatile said:
Taoists and Jainists try to convert other religions? You so funny. The big three or four try to convert, the others just live their own way. I'm not arguing in favor of Islam at all, I'm just saying that spreading propaganda in unwanted territory is stupid.
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Spreading ones beliefs is what is done by most religions and even political, environmental or other groups do the same.
Where the muslim faith differs is violence. Their leaders encourage and praise it and the multitudes of the religion celebrate it. And it's not even up for debate.
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