Explosions in Norway

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VolBeef88 said:
Spreading ones beliefs is what is done by most religions and even political, environmental or other groups do the same.
Where the muslim faith differs is violence. Their leaders encourage and praise it and the multitudes of the religion celebrate it. And it's not even up for debate.
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You have a hard-on for anti-Muslim discussion, apparently. One just has to look at Africa to see that Christianity is turning to violence to spread their ideals (persecution of homosexuals).

Christians should not complain when they're attacked in a foreign country for "spreading the gospel."
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VOLatile said:
You have a hard-on for anti-Muslim discussion, apparently. One just has to look at Africa to see that Christianity is turning to violence to spread their ideals (persecution of homosexuals).

Christians should not complain when they're attacked in a foreign country for "spreading the gospel."
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what if they're just a tourist who happens to be wearing a crucifix, can he or she complain then?
 
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VOLatile said:
You have a hard-on for anti-Muslim discussion, apparently. One just has to look at Africa to see that Christianity is turning to violence to spread their ideals (persecution of homosexuals).

Christians should not complain when they're attacked in a foreign country for "spreading the gospel."
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Christianity is in almost all countries so since that's a fact, what's a foreign country?
And no I don't have a hard on for anti muslim anything. I have a problem with any religion or group that kills tens of thousands of innocent people.
And retaliation in a damned war in Africa is nowhere near the same as what is happening by those of the muslim faith. The African Christians have been persecuted and murdered by African and imported muslems for decades. So please don't try that ****t here. War is different and that's exactly what's happening in Africa.
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Also defenders of islam, "The religion of peace". What about the muslim slave traders in the Sudan? Is that peaceful?
Those dadgum Christians should just take being sold into slavery and like it. The great "religion of peace" don't mean anything by it.
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therealUT said:
If you want to change th subject, then feel free to include the mass socioeconomic differences between the modern Christian world and the Arab world. Allow political exploitation and educatio (indoctrination) into the debate. Allow subSaharan Africa into the discussion.

If you do not want to change the subject then understand that celebrations do not kill people. Bombing an abortion clinic is an act of Christian terrorism; as it stands, it appears this atrocity in Norway is an act of Christian anti-Muslim terrorism. Many of the atrocities in subSaharan Africa are the result of Christian terrorism.

Good night.
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if the Arab world would quit oppressing half it's popoulation, they could reach our education standards
 
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That's exactly right. The only true democratically free Arabs in all the middle east are citizens of Isreal.
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MG1968 said:
what if they're just a tourist who happens to be wearing a crucifix, can he or she complain then?
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This is nonsense. Obviously they have the right, but is there evidence that this happens in the Far Eastern countries I've mentioned by the religions I mentioned? I was specifically talking about smuggling bibles and holding undergound church meetings in China.
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VolBeef88 said:
Christianity is in almost all countries so since that's a fact, what's a foreign country?
And no I don't have a hard on for anti muslim anything. I have a problem with any religion or group that kills tens of thousands of innocent people.
And retaliation in a damned war in Africa is nowhere near the same as what is happening by those of the muslim faith. The African Christians have been persecuted and murdered by African and imported muslems for decades. So please don't try that ****t here. War is different and that's exactly what's happening in Africa.
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Murdering homosexuals is some sort of war retaliation? This is news to me.
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VolBeef88 said:
Also defenders of islam, "The religion of peace". What about the muslim slave traders in the Sudan? Is that peaceful?
Those dadgum Christians should just take being sold into slavery and like it. The great "religion of peace" don't mean anything by it.
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I have not defended Islam in this thread.
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VOLatile said:
This is nonsense. Obviously they have the right, but is there evidence that this happens in the Far Eastern countries I've mentioned by the religions I mentioned? I was specifically talking about smuggling bibles and holding undergound church meetings in China.
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so spreading the gospel to people who want to hear it despite their communist government is a bad thing?
 
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VOLatile said:
Murdering homosexuals is some sort of war retaliation? This is news to me.
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The church there has denied that and claims it was in fact muslims who comitted the acts. Either way would not surprise me from that region.
And there is a war going on and it is based between the muslims and Christians. Christians have been getting sold into slavery and been muredered there for decades now.
Not saying it's right but watching ones family get ripped apart and sold into slavery and or killed can cause people to do bad things.
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MG1968 said:
so spreading the gospel to people who want to hear it despite their communist government is a bad thing?
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They go telling them things they want to hear, but put them in immediate danger from the government and they do this knowing full well what they're doing. Whether the government is right or wrong is another discussion in itself.
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VolBeef88 said:
The church there has denied that and claims it was in fact muslims who comitted the acts. Either way would not surprise me from that region.
And there is a war going on and it is based between the muslims and Christians. Christians have been getting sold into slavery and been muredered there for decades now.
Not saying it's right but watching ones family get ripped apart and sold into slavery and or killed can cause people to do bad things.
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Which church and which war are you talking about?
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VolBeef88 said:
Techically no but if you think the Turks are truly free then you should travel there.
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I believe that IPOrange was just there (or in one of the neighboring countries) and will testify on my behalf.
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VOLatile said:
Compared to George W. Bush on 9/11... "We're gonna hunt you down."

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These are two totally different situations. This is a lone gunman who they have in custody vs a vast coinsparcy orchestrated from caves in a lawless country
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VOLatile said:
They go telling them things they want to hear, but put them in immediate danger from the government and they do this knowing full well what they're doing. Whether the government is right or wrong is another discussion in itself.
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Change of an oppressive government best happens from within. Whether the best vehicle for said change is religion or not is up fopr debate.
But a search for religious freedoms did lead to at least one great nation that comes to mind.
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VOLatile said:
I believe that IPOrange was just there (or in one of the neighboring countries) and will testify on my behalf.
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I travel there a few times a year on business. I have my own account. In fact I travel to several countries in that region each year.
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VolBeef88 said:
I travel there a few times a year on business. I have my own account. In fact I travel to several countries in that region each year.
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So you, as someone that's fundamentally against Islam, says they're not free based on your Christian standards? Say it ain't so... And IP, being unbiased, is a liar?
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BigPapaVol said:
It's almost like you're simple enough to see the two situations as similar.
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Exactly how much information did Bush have when he made that statement (the day of the attack)? And I think the Norwegian PM's statement was made after the Muslim group claimed responsibility, but I could be mistaken.
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