Falcons players = Cry babies

#27
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HotlantaVol said:
Good point. And just recently the AJC had an article on how Arthur and Jerry are such close friends. They're both impulsive narcissists, although Jones is on another level.
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I would submit that it is probably impossible for a person to become a billionaire without being, on some level, a "narcissist." Blank's positively shy and self-effacing compared to Ted Turner, who eventually made himself into a good owner by learning to do exactly what Blank has done from day one: hire someone knowledgeable in the sport whom you trust and spend money like that guy says to. The difference is that Turner was taking Bobby Cox's advice (including hiring John Schuerholz), whereas Blank has unfortunately hitched his wagon to Rich McKay.
 
#28
#28
Vercingetorix said:
I would submit that it is probably impossible for a person to become a billionaire without being, on some level, a "narcissist." Blank's positively shy and self-effacing compared to Ted Turner, who eventually made himself into a good owner by learning to do exactly what Blank has done from day one: hire someone knowledgeable in the sport whom you trust and spend money like that guy says to. The difference is that Turner was taking Bobby Cox's advice (including hiring John Schuerholz), whereas Blank has unfortunately hitched his wagon to Rich McKay.
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I certainly don't think Arthur has bad intentions, but he is enamored with himself and tends to make bad decisions as a result. And I've heard some stories about his departure from Home Depot that are interesting.

At first I ignored the criticism that he was spending too much time with the players, but it definitely fits his persona and is a problem. Hanging out with Vick, etc, probably stroked Blank's ego all the more during the good times. The primadonnas in the NFL definitely don't need to see the owner, GM, or coach as their peers.

If you read any of the AJC stories in the past week, apparently Petrino was pissed at Arthur's direct meddling in the team. And true, Petrino is a weasel, but even weasels don't like to be micromanaged.
 
#29
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HotlantaVol said:
If you read any of the AJC stories in the past week, apparently Petrino was pissed at Arthur's direct meddling in the team. And true, Petrino is a weasel, but even weasels don't like to be micromanaged.
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Of course I've read the AJC stories this week, and I've read all about how poor Bobby Petrino was unhappy being micromanaged. I've also heard Petrino's camp claim that he had no contact at all with Arkansas until he'd resigned from the Falcons, and that, my friends, slips well beyond the bounds of credulity.

And ergo anything Bobby Petrino says about this has to be taken as spin. "You can tell he's lying because his mouth is moving." Blank is not blameless, of course, but at least he's not the party in this dispute with a reputation for lying. As opposed to Bobby F. Petrino, who didn't meet with Auburn to take Tuberville's job, etc. etc. One of these two guys is on record as being a known liar, and it's not your narcissist Arthur Blank.
 
#30
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Vercingetorix said:
Of course I've read the AJC stories this week, and I've read all about how poor Bobby Petrino was unhappy being micromanaged. I've also heard Petrino's camp claim that he had no contact at all with Arkansas until he'd resigned from the Falcons, and that, my friends, slips well beyond the bounds of credulity.

And ergo anything Bobby Petrino says about this has to be taken as spin. "You can tell he's lying because his mouth is moving." Blank is not blameless, of course, but at least he's not the party in this dispute with a reputation for lying. As opposed to Bobby F. Petrino, who didn't meet with Auburn to take Tuberville's job, etc. etc. One of these two guys is on record as being a known liar, and it's not your narcissist Arthur Blank.
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I guess it boils down to where you want to place your contempt - Petrino or Blank. You're correct, there is plenty to go around.

Part of me thinks that at Arthur's age, and with his purported business experience, he shouldn't be making bad decision after bad decision:

Rich McKay
Hiring Petrino
Betting The Farm on Vick (e.g. Trading Schaub)
...

When the Smiths had the franchise, they just didn't care. Blank cares, but makes dumb decisions which his vanity contributes to. That makes me irritated at him all the more. But then, I don't suffer fools easily.
 
#31
#31
Good history on Blank's part though...forcing Reeves out, hiring Mora, hiring Petrino. Regardless what you feel about Petrino, Blank's history is pathetic. MacKay is just as pathetic. It's funny how MacKay had Dungy as his crutch. Dungy went to Indy and MacKay suddenly plummets with his results. What has he done since he's been with the Falcons? I mean come on. Forcing Reeves out was clearly the wrong thing to do. Bringing in Mora was just as bad. Mora wanted out big time and even said so publicly. Blank and MacKay failed to acknowledge repeated stupid decisions and then rushed to hire Petrino.

So the whining about Petrino continues. Meanwhile the REAL problem still exists. These crybabies are still crying about Petrino instead of doing something about their pathetic play...or lack of. With or without Petrino, they flat out suck. Blame that man all you want but he did himself a favor by leaving. Instead of taking responsibility for this disaster, Blank and the team is making Petrino the scapegoat. So place Blank on his pedestal all you want but he's just as worthless.
 
#32
#32
CSpindizzy said:
Good history on Blank's part though...forcing Reeves out, hiring Mora, hiring Petrino. Regardless what you feel about Petrino, Blank's history is pathetic. MacKay is just as pathetic. It's funny how MacKay had Dungy as his crutch. Dungy went to Indy and MacKay suddenly plummets with his results. What has he done since he's been with the Falcons? I mean come on. Forcing Reeves out was clearly the wrong thing to do. Bringing in Mora was just as bad. Mora wanted out big time and even said so publicly. Blank and MacKay failed to acknowledge repeated stupid decisions and then rushed to hire Petrino.

So the whining about Petrino continues. Meanwhile the REAL problem still exists. These crybabies are still crying about Petrino instead of doing something about their pathetic play...or lack of. With or without Petrino, they flat out suck. Blame that man all you want but he did himself a favor by leaving. Instead of taking responsibility for this disaster, Blank and the team is making Petrino the scapegoat. So place Blank on his pedestal all you want but he's just as worthless.
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Yeah, that Super Bowl ring McKay is wearing, which Tony Dungy had not a damn thing to do with, indicates a huge plummet.
 
#34
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VolBeef88 said:
I stand by my statement that this whole thing has been blown out of whack. Quit crying already!
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I'm not crying. It doesn't matter to me if the Falcons fold or move to Boise. I just love trashing filth like Petrino.
 
#36
#36
hatvol96 said:
Yeah, that Super Bowl ring McKay is wearing, which Tony Dungy had not a damn thing to do with, indicates a huge plummet.
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Really? Wow. I guess you forgot it was Tony's team that won it. It was Tony's picks in the draft and his setup that got them there. Note TB's overwhelming superiority since. Yeah, MacKay had everything to do with that ring. You're delusional to think that. Proof? Note his quality efforts since.
 
#37
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Beef, they'll keep crying and trashing Petrino. Everyone needs a fall guy. Blank and MacKay sure as hell won't take responsibility for the worthless condition of the team. We saw yesterday the proof that it's more about the players than the coach. Even the losing Dolphins have more heart and desire to keep playing to win.
 
#38
#38
CSpindizzy said:
Really? Wow. I guess you forgot it was Tony's team that won it. It was Tony's picks in the draft and his setup that got them there. Note TB's overwhelming superiority since. Yeah, MacKay had everything to do with that ring. You're delusional to think that. Proof? Note his quality efforts since.
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Dungy had zero personnel power in Tampa and consistently failed to deliver when it mattered. Those are the facts. To imply otherwise shows a complete lack of knowledge or exposes you as one of those FCA goofs who spends their time worshipping at Saint Tony's altar. By your logic, all Dungy's doing is riding Jim Mora's horse.
 
#39
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MacKay went to him on draft picks, etc. He failed to deliver? It was his team that actually went to the Superbowl. What happened after he left? What happened to Tampa Bay? What happened to the Falcons? Show me proof that MacKay is the god you claim he is. Your statement that he's actually worthwhile shows your complete lack of knowledge and a disconnect with reality.

Simply put, look at his record. Dungy leaves and Tampa Bay turns down. He goes to the Falcons and what has he achieved? By your logic, he controls all and is sound at making decisions. The current state of the Falcons and the history of hires under MacKay's watch does everything to prove you wrong.
 
#40
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CSpindizzy said:
MacKay went to him on draft picks, etc. He failed to deliver? It was his team that actually went to the Superbowl. What happened after he left? What happened to Tampa Bay?
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After Dungy left, they won a Super Bowl. Your continued blather about it being Dungy's team shows you are just another Saint Tony suckup. Don't you have a tent revival to go to? I guarantee I know a hell of alot more about the inner workings of the Tampa organization than you do. However, given the quality of you contributions here, I'm damning myself with faint praise there. Actually, Tampa's downturn coincides with McKay's departure, not Dungy's.
 
#41
#41
CSpindizzy said:
The current state of the Falcons and the history of hires under MacKay's watch does everything to prove you wrong.
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Does that mean Vince Lombardi's failures in Washington stand for the proposition that he wasn't the driving force behind the Packers' success?
 
#42
#42
CSpindizzy said:
It was his team that actually went to the Superbowl.
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Yeah, exactly the way Phil Jackson won with Doug Collins' team in Chicago, Bruce Pearl won with Buzz Peterson's team in Knoxville, Bob Stoops won with John Blake's team in Norman, Joe Torre won with Buck Showalter's team in New York, and Bill Belichick won with Pete Carroll's team in New England.
 
#43
#43
CSpindizzy said:
So the whining about Petrino continues. Meanwhile the REAL problem still exists. These crybabies are still crying about Petrino instead of doing something about their pathetic play...or lack of. With or without Petrino, they flat out suck. Blame that man all you want but he did himself a favor by leaving. Instead of taking responsibility for this disaster, Blank and the team is making Petrino the scapegoat. So place Blank on his pedestal all you want but he's just as worthless.
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I'd like to see a link where anybody with the organization is "still crying about Petrino." Nobody with the team's talking about him anymore. The players spent a couple of days blasting their gutless former coach for the way that he quit on them, and then they moved on. They're not "doing anything about their pathetic play" because they aren't good football players, not because they're still thinking about Petrino.

I also haven't seen anywhere that Blank and/or the players have tried to make Petrino a scapegoat for how bad this team is. Being pissed at him for quitting is not the same thing as saying "this whole mess is your fault." All I've seen out of the Falcons players is that they think Petrino took an already terrible situation and managed to screw it up even worse. Nobody's blaming him for the whole mess.

I agree with you that McKay's done a mediocre at best job in Atlanta. If I were Blank, I'd start with a new GM. He built a good team in Tampa, but too many of his personnel decisions have flopped here.
 
#44
#44
Vercingetorix said:
I'd like to see a link where anybody with the organization is "still crying about Petrino." Nobody with the team's talking about him anymore. The players spent a couple of days blasting their gutless former coach for the way that he quit on them, and then they moved on. They're not "doing anything about their pathetic play" because they aren't good football players, not because they're still thinking about Petrino.

I also haven't seen anywhere that Blank and/or the players have tried to make Petrino a scapegoat for how bad this team is. Being pissed at him for quitting is not the same thing as saying "this whole mess is your fault." All I've seen out of the Falcons players is that they think Petrino took an already terrible situation and managed to screw it up even worse. Nobody's blaming him for the whole mess.

I agree with you that McKay's done a mediocre at best job in Atlanta. If I were Blank, I'd start with a new GM. He built a good team in Tampa, but too many of his personnel decisions have flopped here.
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I take it you must not have watched ANY football this weekend or listened to any sports radio. Let's just call it what it is. Blank and the boys have something to turn attention away from Vick and they took full advantage of it. Imagine ESPN not letting it go. Just a question for you. Does Home Depot do any major sponsorship on ESPN? :whistling:
 
#45
#45
VolBeef88 said:
I take it you must not have watched ANY football this weekend or listened to any sports radio. Let's just call it what it is. Blank and the boys have something to turn attention away from Vick and they took full advantage of it. Imagine ESPN not letting it go. Just a question for you. Does Home Depot do any major sponsorship on ESPN? :whistling:
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So the Falcons players are still being crybabies because the announcers and talking heads won't shut up about Petrino? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Show me a link where one of the players is still "whining."

And if you seriously think that ESPN's announcers are talking about the story because of Home Depot advertising dollars, then I'd really like to hear you expound on 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination.
 
#46
#46
Vercingetorix said:
So the Falcons players are still being crybabies because the announcers and talking heads won't shut up about Petrino? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Show me a link where one of the players is still "whining."

And if you seriously think that ESPN's announcers are talking about the story because of Home Depot advertising dollars, then I'd really like to hear you expound on 9/11 or the Kennedy assassination.
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Ok, what do you wanna know. 9/11 was the act of terrorist and Oswald acted alone. But if you think advertising revinue has nothing to do with topic, you sir are foolish.
 
#47
#47
Yeah, it's all about Home Depot dollars. God knows, ESPN didn't devote any time to attacking Nick Saban when he left for Alabama. You're right, Beef. Petrino is just an innocent victim. The fact that not a sinlge one of his previous employers would piss on him if he caught on fire is no indication of his character. The fact he did everything in his power to covertly take the job of the man who put him on the map in college football doesn't make him a snake. The fact he lied to a guy paying him millions of dollars twelve hours before sneaking out the back door doesn't show him to be a self serving twit lacking the guts tell the truth.
 
#48
#48
My dad tried to tell me ESPN was making a big deal out of it because of Home Depot. I laughed in his face.
 
#49
#49
hatvol96 said:
After Dungy left, they won a Super Bowl. Your continued blather about it being Dungy's team shows you are just another Saint Tony suckup. Don't you have a tent revival to go to? I guarantee I know a hell of alot more about the inner workings of the Tampa organization than you do. However, given the quality of you contributions here, I'm damning myself with faint praise there. Actually, Tampa's downturn coincides with McKay's departure, not Dungy's.
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Calling people names is genius adult behavior as well. Again, facts show it was Tony's gameplan, hires, etc. that led to that season. Note the subsequent years and the results. Note what occurred as he came to Indy. Compare the results. Facts speak for themselves. So claim insider info all you want. I'd love to see proof rather than bragging with nothing to back it up. Let's stick to the McKay pedestal you seem to be humping.

I'll play your fictional world here. Since coming to the Falcons what has he done? By all means, please give me something to go on. He's gone through three coaches and endless systems and players. What does he have to show for it? You don't seem to respond to that. You'd rather go down the Dungy path because clearly you have nothing to base your defense of McKay on.
 
#50
#50
VolBeef88 said:
I take it you must not have watched ANY football this weekend or listened to any sports radio. Let's just call it what it is. Blank and the boys have something to turn attention away from Vick and they took full advantage of it. Imagine ESPN not letting it go. Just a question for you. Does Home Depot do any major sponsorship on ESPN? :whistling:
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He's not listening to the radio, that is clear. Of course after yesterday's debacle I think you've seen the end of ANY Falcons players talking period. The loser mentality has sunk in.
 
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