Falcons players = Cry babies

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Oh and I guess the veterans being fined for the Cult of Vick display last week are all Petrino's fault as well. I'm sure he'll get blamed for letting that happen.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Calling people names is genius adult behavior as well. Again, facts show it was Tony's gameplan, hires, etc. that led to that season. Note the subsequent years and the results. Note what occurred as he came to Indy. Compare the results. Facts speak for themselves. So claim insider info all you want. I'd love to see proof rather than bragging with nothing to back it up. Let's stick to the McKay pedestal you seem to be humping.

I'll play your fictional world here. Since coming to the Falcons what has he done? By all means, please give me something to go on. He's gone through three coaches and endless systems and players. What does he have to show for it? You don't seem to respond to that. You'd rather go down the Dungy path because clearly you have nothing to base your defense of McKay on.
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When you find any defense of McKay's tenure in Atlanta I've authored, I'll be glad to address such. Also, great job trying to give a guy credit for gameplans in a season he didn't coach. If Gruden had actually followed the Dungy path, the Bucs would have gone into Philadelphia and vomited all over themselves in the NFC title game. That was Dungy's MO in Tampa.
 
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At this point, I'll point out that Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, and John Lynch were already in Tampa when Dungy arrived. So, I guess that means they were Sam Wyche's players.
 
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You've propped up the value of McKay. Are you denying that? You first point to Tampa Bay's trip to the Super Bowl as indication he did NOT plummet. You make a comment about Tampa Bay's downturn occurred when McKay left. You have an inflated view of the guy who clearly has shown some pathetic calls on hiring and strategy. You've managed to imply Tampa Bay's peak was all him and no one else and their decline was due to his departure. Again, as you elevate that guy, I've asked you to give me something to actually show he's worth the words we're using now. As of this moment, you've failed to show he's worth anything. So based on your own words, please address. I'm also waiting for that insider knowledge proof as well.
 
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hatvol96 said:
At this point, I'll point out that Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks, and John Lynch were already in Tampa when Dungy arrived. So, I guess that means they were Sam Wyche's players.
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I will also point out that their stats were mediocre until Dungy's tenure. After that you'll see quite a bit of success. I see you are stuck on Dungy and still cannot back up praise of McKay in the past decade either.
 
#57
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You know back in the day, dipping back to the Smith family, at least the Falcons were just an embarrassment during 4 quarters on the field. Now the team as a whole is an embarrassment on AND off the field. It's a sad commentary when the days of MC Hammer on the sideline were the good old days.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
You've propped up the value of McKay. Are you denying that? You first point to Tampa Bay's trip to the Super Bowl as indication he did NOT plummet. You make a comment about Tampa Bay's downturn occurred when McKay left. You have an inflated view of the guy who clearly has shown some pathetic calls on hiring and strategy. You've managed to imply Tampa Bay's peak was all him and no one else and their decline was due to his departure. Again, as you elevate that guy, I've asked you to give me something to actually show he's worth the words we're using now. As of this moment, you've failed to show he's worth anything. So based on your own words, please address. I'm also waiting for that insider knowledge proof as well.
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1. A team he assembled won a Super Bowl. It did so after Tony Dungy was shown the door. That speaks for itself.
2. If I had ever said he was doing a good job in Atlanta, I'd defend that position.
3. I'm not in the mood to get into yet another thread where I get accused of namedropping. I, along with a few others on the board, will simply enjoy a good laugh at you questioning my contacts with the Bucs. Kind of like we did when another poster said I was insane for saying John Calipari wouldn't take the NC State job and that my source on that couldn't be credible.
4. Your inablity to differentiate between praise of McKay and criticism of Petrino or failure to genuflect in front of Jesus Dungy is disturbing.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
I will also point out that their stats were mediocre until Dungy's tenure. After that you'll see quite a bit of success. I see you are stuck on Dungy and still cannot back up praise of McKay in the past decade either.
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Yeah, but you were talking up Dungy's personnel input. Well, the three best players on his defense weren't his selection. He didn't want Keyshawn on the team. He though Shawn King could be a starting NFL QB. Yeah, great input.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
He's not listening to the radio, that is clear. Of course after yesterday's debacle I think you've seen the end of ANY Falcons players talking period. The loser mentality has sunk in.
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Again, announcers and guys on the radio talking about Petrino does not mean the that the Falcons players are still "whining about him." I haven't heard a clip of or read a quote from any Falcons player about Petrino -- other than as a direct response to a question from the media -- since about Thursday of last week. The fact that the media won't let it go does not make the players "crybabies" who are "still whining." They still suck, unfortunately, but I don't see how they can be blamed for the media grinding the story into the ground.
 
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hatvol96 said:
1. A team he assembled won a Super Bowl. It did so after Tony Dungy was shown the door. That speaks for itself.
2. If I had ever said he was doing a good job in Atlanta, I'd defend that position.
3. I'm not in the mood to get into yet another thread where I get accused of namedropping. I, along with a few others on the board, will simply enjoy a good laugh at you questioning my contacts with the Bucs. Kind of like we did when another poster said I was insane for saying John Calipari wouldn't take the NC State job and that my source on that couldn't be credible.
4. Your inablity to differentiate between praise of McKay and criticism of Petrino or failure to genuflect in front of Jesus Dungy is disturbing.
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1)A team he assembled? Yeah because the assembly was ALL him. No one else had any input. Development had nothing to do with it either. Coaching, etc. didn't. It was all McKay. Amazing how the skills you credit him solely with didn't carry over. If he was as truly gifted and talented as you propped him up, where did it go when he came to ATL?

2)I guess saying the same thing over and over doesn't get through to you. You've elevated the guy who clearly does not match the level you've applied. If by your own logic he was that good, why is he not doing even nearly as well? I ask that yet again.

3)Oh so you'll come out and make a claim about something but not back it up? If you didn't want to get accused of namedropping why make a claim you refuse to prove? Sounds like an inflated sense of ego and the inability to back it up. If you can back it up, good for you. But clearly you defeated your own intent. And again, clearly fact and reality shows the guy you defend is not exactly as you claim. Namedrop all you want.

4)Odd how I make the comment about McKay saying he's not exactly worth what he's billed and you comment on that. Petrino is just one bullet point item of McKay's poor peformance. Your forgetfulness that it was you who carried the torch for McKay and that is what we've discussed since is disturbing. I criticised McKay and you defended him with an overinflated case. I've proved that within the last 5 years what you've claimed his skills were have not exactly continued. Your defense of a downward spiral is disturbing.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Again, announcers and guys on the radio talking about Petrino does not mean the that the Falcons players are still "whining about him." I haven't heard a clip of or read a quote from any Falcons player about Petrino -- other than as a direct response to a question from the media -- since about Thursday of last week. The fact that the media won't let it go does not make the players "crybabies" who are "still whining." They still suck, unfortunately, but I don't see how they can be blamed for the media grinding the story into the ground.
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It carried over into yesterday for sure. Just because you haven't been tuned into it doesn't mean other people aren't either. You want to know why the media ran it into the ground? Because Blank went around crying about being betrayed and abused. He allowed free media access to the players all week. The players and management gave soundbites to talk about all week. The media only ran with what was handed to them and the grand package was handed to them. Blank and Arkansas/Petrino's agent had to call a ceasefire of all things because of this childish back and forth. Is this the behavior of a Fortune 500 type head? Name one other owner who has such a lousy record and resorts to back and forth crying and whining for days.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Even the losing Dolphins have more heart and desire to keep playing to win.
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Oh, and I meant to say this: an 0-13 team like the Dolphins still has something to play for (i.e., not going winless), but a 3-11 team like the Falcons doesn't have anything to play for. And they're not even auditioning for next year, because most of the current coaches will probably be gone. It's disappointing but not exactly shocking that they've quit on the season; they're bad players on an awful team gimping out the end of a season that was basically ruined even before training camp started. A year out of their already short NFL careers has been wasted thanks to Michael Vick's dogfighting. I can understand why most of them want to just get it over with so they can get the hell out of town.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
3)Oh so you'll come out and make a claim about something but not back it up? If you didn't want to get accused of namedropping why make a claim you refuse to prove?
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No. It's just that I decided some time back that who I play poker with and who I play golf with really isn't anyone's business around here. The people who matter on this site know full well when I say I've got a good source, I do. You're not one of those people whose opinion matter to me. Thus, I'm not going to answer to you. In today's Googlecentric world, I find it less and less appealing to name my sources unless there's something in it for them.
 
#65
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Sorry but they've had this "nothing to play for" way before this record. Thanks to Blank building the team around one single player and enabling his off-field antics, he caused this Cult of Vick to drag the team down. They've played like crap all season long. For that matter they've done so the past few years. Vick's managed to carry them to the mediocre point until he was busted. Take him out and the lingering issues surface and proliferate.
 
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hatvol96 said:
No. It's just that I decided some time back that who I play poker with and who I play golf with really isn't anyone's business around here. The people who matter on this site know full well when I say I've got a good source, I do. You're not one of those people whose opinion matter to me. Thus, I'm not going to answer to you. In today's Googlecentric world, I find it less and less appealing to name my sources unless there's something in it for them.
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You're quite funny. My opinion doesn't matter but yet you took the time to respond to me making a claim about something you did not back up. Frankly your opinion matters none since you cannot back it up and reality states otherwise. I really don't care what social circles you run in and who you play with. Frankly it could be the President and the Pope and I wouldn't care. At the end of the day, the guy you've managed to claim is so superior is in fact, I repeat IN FACT, incompetent in numerous decisions and has facilitated the downward spiral of a major NFL team.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
You're quite funny. My opinion doesn't matter but yet you took the time to respond to me making a claim about something you did not back up. Frankly your opinion matters none since you cannot back it up and reality states otherwise. I really don't care what social circles you run in and who you play with. Frankly it could be the President and the Pope and I wouldn't care. At the end of the day, the guy you've managed to claim is so superior is in fact, I repeat IN FACT, incompetent in numerous decisions and has facilitated the downward spiral of a major NFL team.
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If you think the Flacons were ever a "major NFL team," you've just proven yourself to be commitable. I'm still waiting for you to show where I've said Rich McKay's work in Atlanta was ever "superior." Just because you're silly enough to invest your hopes in a garbage franchise in a hellhole city, you shouldn't lose the ability to read and comprehend. I'm still waiting for you give Jim Mora Sr., Sam Wyche, Doug Collins, Buzz Peterson, and numerous other coaches their props. Since it's really about the coach who came before the coach who won, I think the BCS Championship trophy should be named after Paul Hackett and John Blake. They haven't gotten their just due.
 
#69
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hatvol96 said:
Keep rocking the catch phrase. Maybe you can sell some T-shirts.
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Witty comeback. Still trying to find something to factually show McKay is worth your claim? Don't bother. His record speaks for itself. Tell your Circle of Friends to look at McKay now and justify that the Tampa Bay accomplishments were in fact all him. You don't even have to back up your namedropping claim. Just give me something on McKay.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Witty comeback. Still trying to find something to factually show McKay is worth your claim? Don't bother. His record speaks for itself. Tell your Circle of Friends to look at McKay now and justify that the Tampa Bay accomplishments were in fact all him. You don't even have to back up your namedropping claim. Just give me something on McKay.
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Other than the fact he took Tampa from being the laughingstock of the league to a Super Bowl title? I believe Atlanta won a division with him as the GM. How many of those have they won in their sorry history? Just because you've chosen to cast your lot with a fleabag franchise in a town that should have remained as Sherman left it, that's no reason to cast your lot with trash like Petrino.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Tell your Circle of Friends to look at McKay now and justify that the Tampa Bay accomplishments were in fact all him.
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I don't have to tell my friends to do anything. Their Super Bowl rings are testaments to what they think about Rich McKay.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If you think the Flacons were ever a "major NFL team," you've just proven yourself to be commitable. I'm still waiting for you to show where I've said Rich McKay's work in Atlanta was ever "superior." Just because you're silly enough to invest your hopes in a garbage franchise in a hellhole city, you shouldn't lose the ability to read and comprehend. I'm still waiting for you give Jim Mora Sr., Sam Wyche, Doug Collins, Buzz Peterson, and numerous other coaches their props. Since it's really about the coach who came before the coach who won, I think the BCS Championship trophy should be named after Paul Hackett and John Blake. They haven't gotten their just due.
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I guess claiming he was superior and seeing he is truly not means you've failed in your argument. You make repeated claims of not only your "connections" to Tampa Bay but to McKay's ability. But yet you've backed up none of it. Hmmm. Baseless and factless claims...blowhard. You see you have the common trait of the blowhard in that you deflect. I mention McKay's lack of skill and talent and how his value is not only worthless but things plummet. You comment on a ring and associate every wonderful thing at Tampa Bay with him. You elevate his stature claiming he truly is the MFIC with NFL teams. Fact shows otherwise. You'd rather keep harping on Dungy and the level of the coach. I'm only going on your original stream of thought (not so well thought out).

In simple terms you might understand, you make McKay out to be the man. I disagree. I include his ENTIRE career and all factors in the discussion as proof but yet you can only claim three players and a ring as all McKay. I make a simple request. i know it's hard to clearly put down the poker cards while sitting in front of the computer all night. But all I ask is for you to look at the grand picture (not literally of course...I mean his entire history not his artwork). Based on the whole history tell me your claim on McKay is justified.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
It carried over into yesterday for sure. Just because you haven't been tuned into it doesn't mean other people aren't either. You want to know why the media ran it into the ground? Because Blank went around crying about being betrayed and abused. He allowed free media access to the players all week. The players and management gave soundbites to talk about all week. The media only ran with what was handed to them and the grand package was handed to them. Blank and Arkansas/Petrino's agent had to call a ceasefire of all things because of this childish back and forth. Is this the behavior of a Fortune 500 type head? Name one other owner who has such a lousy record and resorts to back and forth crying and whining for days.
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Again, the soundbites you're talking about were all from earlier in the week; there hasn't been any new anti-Petrino material since then. You're blaming the players for the fact that other people are continuing to talk about it, and that hardly seems fair. There's plenty of better things to blame them for, after all.

I get that you hate Blank and think that he's a terrible owner. There are things about his style that I don't love, but in the modern era of corporate sports ownership, he's about as good as you're likely to get: he's a hugely rich guy who wants to spend lavishly to win, and he's willing to let his football guys tell him how to spend the money. New facilities? Done. Coach says he needs a pass rusher? Go get John Abraham. This is what you want your owner to do. The problem is that his main football man is Rich McKay, and McKay doesn't seem to be making many decisions that work out anymore.

Edit: there's no question that McKay did a great job in TB, but there's also no question that he's done a mediocre at best job in Atlanta. I'd really like to know what happened -- did he just get lucky in TB, has the game changed in some subtle way that McKay hasn't caught up with, etc. His talent evaluation has really been disappointing.
 
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I'm pretty sure that if the greatest moment in team history is Gary Anderson missing an easy field goal against you, and you've never once managed to have two winning seasons in a row, then you can't ever have been a major NFL team.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Other than the fact he took Tampa from being the laughingstock of the league to a Super Bowl title? I believe Atlanta won a division with him as the GM. How many of those have they won in their sorry history? Just because you've chosen to cast your lot with a fleabag franchise in a town that should have remained as Sherman left it, that's no reason to cast your lot with trash like Petrino.
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Yeah. It was all him. It was all him. No one else. They won a division as he walked in the door. Go look at their record since. Tell me please what he's done since.

You see, I find it humorous that you assume I am casting my lot with a fleabag franchise. Please tell me why you think this? And if I was casting my lot with a fleabag franchise wouldn't it be contradictory to cast my lot with Petrino? That sentence made no sense.

And as long as you're giving props to McKay for supposedly taking a fleabag franchise to the Super Bowl, your logic should also be applied to the guy you've repeatedly slammed in Tony Dungy. Shouldn't your logic apply across the board? I find it ironic that logic used to prop up a GM cannot be applied to the HC in a very similar situation.
 
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