FBI, Lowder, Dye Etc Unbelievable Summary on the Newton Situation (Must Read)

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volinbham said:
If Auburn is cleared what will happen to this version of the story? IOW, if you buy this version of the story and Auburn is cleared will you feel that this story is still correct or will you view it as an alternative reality?

Just curious how "history" gets written and "truth" is established.
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Then it is all message board BS, which is not completely impossible. Between Vegas closing the bets and the actual involvement of the feds....it makes all this easier to believe.

That is going to be one humdinger of an explanation.
 
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volinbham said:
If Auburn is cleared what will happen to this version of the story? IOW, if you buy this version of the story and Auburn is cleared will you feel that this story is still correct or will you view it as an alternative reality?

Just curious how "history" gets written and "truth" is established.
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OJ Simpson was acquitted.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
OJ Simpson was acquitted.
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Kind of my point. The post may be entirely accurate, close to accurate or a well organized complilation of facts stuck together with speculation. I have no idea but it is a compelling story.

Regardless, it is becoming "true" the more it gets read and passed along.

It will be interesting to see how people that believe this story will react if parts are not supported by Fed or NCAA actions.

In some ways it reminds me of the 9/11 truther stories - elaborate and connected. More importantly, impervious to contradictory points.
 
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In regards to public perception concerning the matter, Im inclined to believe that the whole lot of them are guilty and will be perceived as such, regardless of the percentage of this that becomes labeled "factual".

Its in our nature as an evolved society.
 
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Agreed. If they are completely exonerated, people will still believe they were guilty. It will be a stigma and area of debate.

I am not with holding judgment by any means; I think all of this, all of it, is plausible.

The burden of proof falls on Auburn at this point, and "No Comment" isn't a very good defense. Their only way out is to completely play ball and turn over anything and everything that is requested.

But, if they are exonerated, we are all going to have to deal with the hundreds of Auburn fans that come out and say "Told you so."
 
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fl0at said:
Agreed. If they are completely exonerated, people will still believe they were guilty. It will be a stigma and area of debate.

I am not with holding judgment by any means; I think all of this, all of it, is plausible.

The burden of proof falls on Auburn at this point, and "No Comment" isn't a very good defense. Their only way out is to completely play ball and turn over anything and everything that is requested.

But, if they are exonerated, we are all going to have to deal with the hundreds of Auburn fans that come out and say "Told you so."
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Just to be Devil's Advocate - "no comment" is the exact right answer.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
I think the whole "kicked out of the SEC" thing is a myth. Thats messageboard material to be used as shock and awe tactics.
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It is probably excessive, but it couldn't be ruled out if multiple AU Board members go to jail for banking fraud in addition to paying off players. I still think its unlikely, because Auburn is a big, big school with a large fan base. Its a lot of money to leave on the table.

It does force the SEC to get even more aggressive when it comes to luring in A&M, since they have to have 12 teams for a Championship game, and 13th team in Texas because even more attractive, since its an insurance policy for the SECCG in addition to being a huge get.
 
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You're venturing off in to territory that many of your Vol brethren will berate you for.

The topic of aTm becoming a member of the mighty SEC brings out the best in the "SEC dont need no TAMU, they sux reel reel bad, and brung nuthin to tha table" crowd.
 
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Just fair warning.


Then again, you can always ask those folks about what Slive was doing in College Station this summer.

That's bait in case you dont recognize it.
 
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volinbham said:
Just to be Devil's Advocate - "no comment" is the exact right answer.
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I think, from a PR point of view, a better comment that effectively means the same thing would be:

"We are working with NCAA officials and the FBI in an ongoing investigation. We have turned over everything they have asked for and will continue to comply with all future requests. At this time, we feel it is best for the University to allow the professionals to do their job while we do ours. When the FBI and NCAA make their findings known, I promise you that you will be one of the first to know."

Says exactly the same thing, but with more prose and acceptance of the actual facts. Facts being that yes, both groups have open investigations.

They might have said something similar already, but nobody should just be saying "No comment."

If I am a PR guy, I'd have about 15 scripted responses already written and in the hands of anyone that might see a camera.

Acknowledge, deflect and evade all without coming off as dismissive and arrogant.
 
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This is the way I look at it

You have three people that are or were on the BOT for Auburn, that basically run the AD, that have/are being indicted by the Feds for Bank fraud, voter fraud, money laundering, etc.

What makes you think they havent done that in running the school/AD?

They're dirty and Auburn will pay for associating with such?
 
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it's pretty obvious that at the best that cecil was shopping cam around which makes him ineligible even if they didn't take any money. putting him out there pretty much said "yeah were screwed, but this is our only chance to win a NC." any chance in hell they play cam if auburn is 5-4?
 
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droski said:
it's pretty obvious that at the best that cecil was shopping cam around which makes him ineligible even if they didn't take any money. putting him out there pretty much said "yeah were screwed, but this is our only chance to win a NC." any chance in hell they play cam if auburn is 5-4?
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This is probably correct in every possible way. At best, Cam isn't ruled ineligible and Auburn is in the title mix.

At worst, Cam is ineligible and everything is vacated.

They have nothing to lose by playing him now. No way they play him if they were 5-4. No way.
 
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and what good is a NC if the glass football never gets delivered?

Unless, you're trying to compare this possibility to Reggie Bush's Heisman.
 
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droski said:
it's pretty obvious that at the best that cecil was shopping cam around which makes him ineligible even if they didn't take any money. putting him out there pretty much said "yeah were screwed, but this is our only chance to win a NC." any chance in hell they play cam if auburn is 5-4?
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In all likelihood, this is probably going to be what happens.

No way in hell they play Cam if they are 5-4.
 
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TXVOL07 said:
You're venturing off in to territory that many of your Vol brethren will berate you for.

The topic of aTm becoming a member of the mighty SEC brings out the best in the "SEC dont need no TAMU, they sux reel reel bad, and brung nuthin to tha table" crowd.
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I'd take A&M in a heartbeat. :hi:
 
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BigOrange15 said:
They aren't going to kick Auburn out. The NCAA will bring the judgement hammer down, but Auburn isn't going anywhere imo.
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They almost lost their SACS accredidation under Dye. If they lose their accredidation, they cannot be a member of the SEC.
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droski said:
it's pretty obvious that at the best that cecil was shopping cam around which makes him ineligible even if they didn't take any money. putting him out there pretty much said "yeah were screwed, but this is our only chance to win a NC." any chance in hell they play cam if auburn is 5-4?
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Again to be Devil's Advocate - so far we know that Cecil shopped Cam to MSU. Seems he would have shopped him elsewhere but those allegations have not surfaced.

The NCAA rep indicated that to be ineligible, Cam had to have taken some part in the process.

So, while there's likely more to it so far him being ineligible is not a done deal.
 
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kptvol said:
It's a Macbeth scenario now. Easier to just stay on the dark path at this point.
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Out, damned spot! out, I say!
Lady Macbeth, act V, scene i


Yet who would have thought the old man to have had so much blood in him.
Lady Macbeth, act V, scene i


Here's the smell of the blood still: all the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand. Oh, oh, oh!
Lady Macbeth, act V, scene i


What's done cannot be undone.
Lady Macbeth, act V, scene i
 
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