Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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LouderVol said:
Yup. Yall are literally just making things worse. I have said from the start, you want to get rid of Trump, make him politically irrelevant? Ignore him. He feeds off his press. This just solidifies his followers and probably pushes a few million more to his side. Doesnt matter if the warrant is right, wrong, or indifferent. This is a major division which will be long in the healing.

I expect even more politicized rhetoric and extremist behavior from both sides on this.

The only saving grace is if this warrant finds evidence to a legit major crime, anything less and it comes off as political hackery.
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Which means you have to worry that they are willing to go as far as falsifying evidence.
 
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MontyPython said:
Agreed. But, the flip side is if Trump did commit crimes, he should be prosecuted like any other American. I say that of anyone regardless of political affiliation.

Noone is... ehhh... should be above the law.
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Sensible. I do wonder if we are in by any means necessary territory now i.e. making up evidence. This is totalitarian territory now.
 
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hog88 said:
I just don’t think it will happen in the Senate, Rs have selected to many weak candidates and the dems have the big city machines.
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A sad reality and you may be right. They got stuck with Walker and Oz. Those two are the weakest. They would have to come through in Arizona and Nevada which is possible. Then an oaf like Fetterman won't matter. Incredible another dude who has gone into public hiding, and was still taking an allowance into his 40's has the lead.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I have a hard time believing the FBI would do this over birthday invitations. They must have good reason to think it's important stuff.

Perhaps linking Trump, or someone he is beholden to, to some kind of crime? Intelligence reports that confirm Russian meddling?
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Good God man! They've been trying to do exactly what you are describing since 2016 and have come with a fat load of bupkis.

Every new "gotcha" news about Trump you and all the other leftists get in a tizzy that he has FINALLY going to get it turns to dust! You really do not still believe Trump "colluded" with the Russians to steal the 2016 election do you? After it turns out "the dossier" was produced by the Clinton campaign?

I mean seriously.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Good God man! They've been trying to do exactly what you are describing since 2016 and have come with a fat load of bupkis.

Every new "gotcha" news about Trump you and all the other leftists get in a tizzy that he has FINALLY going to get it turns to dust! You really do not still believe Trump "colluded" with the Russians to steal the 2016 election do you? After it turns out "the dossier" was produced by the Clinton campaign?

I mean seriously.
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Your fear that this involves something that will end Trump is palpable.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Sensible. I do wonder if we are in by any means necessary territory now i.e. making up evidence. This is totalitarian territory now.
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Heh. Let's hope not.

This clearly was approved at the highest DOJ levels, the warrant approved by a federal judge and then executed by the FBI headed by a Trump appointee.

Given the obvious firestorm it created, odds are the evidence is irrefutable.

Regardless, I don't like this situation. Then again, the alternative (don't charge a President because he's above the law) is worse. In either case it does smack of banana republic, but Donald likely brought this upon himself I'd wager. Initial reports suggest he knowingly and willfully kept top secret docs that he's simply not supposed to have after leaving office, and that when the Feds told him to give them back, Trump told them to pound sand.

But I'll reserve judgment until all the facts come out.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Good God man! They've been trying to do exactly what you are describing since 2016 and have come with a fat load of bupkis.

Every new "gotcha" news about Trump you and all the other leftists get in a tizzy that he has FINALLY going to get it turns to dust! You really do not still believe Trump "colluded" with the Russians to steal the 2016 election do you? After it turns out "the dossier" was produced by the Clinton campaign?

I mean seriously.
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Spot on Grover.....the ignorance is comedy gold.
 
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Grand Vol said:
True colors of the left...

They want the authoritarian, single party state where they make the rules.
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Actually, just the opposite. They are trying to prevent a wannabe autocrat from getting back in the White House, you know, the one who led a a mob onto the Capital and refused to concede a lawful election where he lost. The one who steadfastly fed his worshippers the Big Lie.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
What if this was a setup? What if Trump enticed them to make this raid to fire up the base red-hot and keep DeSantis on the back burner?

It wouldn't be hard to do because Democrats are pretty much like an injured, enraged bull seeing a man wave a red blanket in front of them. They charge all the time and just cannot catch the matador, who keeps sticking swords in them.

Don't know. This was absolutely handled badly and, I think, destroyed whatever credibility the FBI had with half the country. An even bigger mess is if Trump has documents that are technically covered by the law but amount to birthday invitations sent out from the White House. Then the government has the unenviable task of making a political prosecution over what amounts to lying about having sex with an intern.

And what if there are serious documents found? Things no one in government really want disclosed? Trump having his day in court may be the least desirable thing the government wants. What if there are things about, say, Hillary Clinton?

I think we're going to have a tempest in a teapot here, much like the ballyhooed prosecution of Trump in New York over his tax returns and financial disclosures that pretty much fell flat on its face and slinked off to disappear. It will not go anywhere and hardens Trump's base, which for him, is a win.
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I have a hard time believing that this was a setup by Trump but do believe that the documents in question are meaningless. There are mountains of classified material that the reasons for their classification are asinine, I'd bet the house Trump didn't have the nuclear codes, battle plans, codes or anything of real danger to the country if it got out.

The raid was purely political theater in an effort to keep Trump from running again (which I hope he does not) no way the director of the FBI or the AG approved such an unprecedented move without top cover from the big guy's handlers.
 
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Rooster1 said:
Actually, just the opposite. They are trying to prevent a wannabe autocrat from getting back in the White House, you know, the one who led a a mob onto the Capital and refused to concede a lawful election where he lost. The one who steadfastly fed his worshippers the Big Lie.
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So you admit this entire charade is preventing him from running again.
 
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MontyPython said:
Heh. Let's hope not.

This clearly was approved at the highest DOJ levels, the warrant approved by a judge and then executed by the FBI headed by a Trump appointee.

Given the obvious firestorm it created, odds are the evidence is irrefutable.

Regardless, I don't like this situation. Then again, the alternative (don't charge a President because he's above the law) is worse. In either case it does smack of banana republic, but Donald likely brought this upon himself I'd wager.
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It has presented America as potentially a banana republic to the world. This is dangerous. The pendulum always swings both ways. I do think we've seen a weaponization we've never seen in our lifetime. Consider the letter the DOJ helped craft to go after parents, the Disinformation Board, and I'm sure other examples we've seen that the average citizen would not be able to defend against.
 
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hog88 said:
I have a hard time believing that this was a setup by Trump but do believe that the documents in question are meaningless. There are mountains of classified material that the reasons for their classification are asinine, I'd bet the house Trump didn't have the nuclear codes, battle plans, codes or anything of real danger to the country if it got out.

The raid was purely political theater in an effort to keep Trump from running again (which I hope he does not) no way the director of the FBI or the AG approved such an unprecedented move without top cover from the big guy's handlers.
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It's okay to keep classified documents if your last name is Clinton. I dont' remember her being raided.
 
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BreatheUT said:
It has presented America as potentially a banana republic to the world. This is dangerous. The pendulum always swings both ways. I do think we've seen a weaponization we've never seen in our lifetime. Consider the letter the DOJ helped craft to go after parents, the Disinformation Board, and I'm sure other examples we've seen that the average citizen would not be able to defend against.
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Yeah.

I think the real issue we all face is that most of us are now slaves to our own silos of news. And in our own silo, we hear what we want to - not what is really both sides to a news story.

This situation has created the divide amongst us of even what basic facts are these days.
 
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