Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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BowlBrother85 said:
We will see. A special counsel has been appointed, and there will be a litany of House subpoenas to come.
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I know about the special counsel appointment lead by a democratic DOJ. Nothing will come of it as usual bc it's a democrat that's involved. Democrats protect their own when a special counsel is appointed by a democratic DOJ is in use.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Why do I need to have been there? This was widely reported. Trump attorneys have acknowledged that two documents marked classified were recovered from a storage unit.
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You're getting your story from the loony left-wing anti-american mob news who hates everything Trump & I'm getting the true story from other sources not showing as much hate to a former POTUS.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
If Trump would just keep his mouth shut he might get some sympathy over this. He should have said “it was an unfortunate situation and he was praying for the Country “. Running his mouth when he did the same thing and was obstructive about returning them is why everyone hates him.
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Trump is about as capable of keeping his mouth shut as a Bama fan has of expressing humility or coherent logic 😉
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
I know about the special counsel appointment lead by a democratic DOJ. Nothing will come of it as usual bc it's a democrat that's involved. Democrats protect their own when a special counsel is appointed by a democratic DOJ is in use.
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The Special Counsel is Robert Hur, who was appointed United States Attorney for the District of Maryland by Donald Trump. He is a Republican.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Wow. Guam’s gonna tip over like a boat huh? I swear our world is getting smarter in a lot of areas but common sense isn’t one of them.
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Only in Dekalb County GA could a potato head like Hank Johnson get elected. The county other Than a few parts is a total embarrassment to the state. And Johnson is Georgia’s version of Steve Cohen.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
Thanks, skippy. Maybe they'll find idiot Biden is corrupt as hell & impeach his old ass after all.
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This isn’t amongst the worst 5 things that Biden has done. It’s probably the most illegal but it’s not sexy and probably won’t have people in the streets. It will probably blow over. Once he announces next month that he isn’t running.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Why would this involve the Trump Administration? The proper location for these documents was The National Archives when Obama/Biden left office in January of 2017.


The respective cases are quite different in terms of cooperation. The National Archives position is that they did not know that Biden was in possession of these classified documents. The National Archives says that they had not requested them. The position of Biden's legal team is that they contacted both the Department of Justice and The National Archives on the day of discovery and handed them over to officials in The National Archives the following day.

The House Oversight Committee has subpoenaed White House e-mails and e-mails from The National Archives and that should help verify their claims.
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It makes no sense for the National Archives to be the repository for classified documents. There are more appropriate places for those.

With respect missing documents and the Trump administration, it shouldn't matter who is in control; a following administration should know if any records are missing and where they are. That's only possible if there's adequate record keeping and the previous administration did things by the book. What good is it to classify documents if nobody knows they are missing. Imagine a business or bank with cash registers not knowing or never checking that the correct amount of cash is on hand. Libraries as archaic as people probably consider them today knew what books were supposed to be on the damn shelf and had the means to check them in and out, yet we're to believe the National Archives is supposed to be the repository and they didn't know documents were missing??? WTF
 
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AM64 said:
It makes no sense for the National Archives to be the repository for classified documents. There are more appropriate places for those.

With respect missing documents and the Trump administration, it shouldn't matter who is in control; a following administration should know if any records are missing and where they are. That's only possible if there's adequate record keeping and the previous administration did things by the book. What good is it to classify documents if nobody knows they are missing. Imagine a business or bank with cash registers not knowing or never checking that the correct amount of cash is on hand. Libraries as archaic as people probably consider them today knew what books were supposed to be on the damn shelf and had the means to check them in and out, yet we're to believe the National Archives is supposed to be the repository and they didn't know documents were missing??? WTF
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They cannot account for $2T in accounting by one Department..how would we expect the Feds to keep track of a trillion docs?
It goes back to basis government..they are sloppy and unaccountable. Why I am conservative.
The USG is one Big Fat Bloated Pig that has this insatiable appetite. Millions of bureaucrats that need to justify their jobs, with lawmakers that implement new laws and the need for additional hiring of inefficient personnel.
IE..the IRS must hire 87K because the lawmakers created a complicated tax code.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
This will never be fixed, 1st Amendment, Lobbyist, and members of Congress will always use it as a weapon. This year is just another example of Media not doing their job. Santos getting elected is a disgrace to the entire political system. What's funny is that he was able to pull it off in a totally blue state. What's even more funny is that he will probably serve his entire 2yr term. Where was the media during this election? What will the Congress do?
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Santos is a reflection of a sloppy system in the same way that missing documents are. Candidates should be vetted not by the media but by an official process. If education and work history are part of the qualification, they should be checked ... we know they aren't a qualification. Anyone running for congress or for president of VP should have to have to be vetted for a security clearance (just like anyone else who handles classified materials) and only be put on the ballot if he/she passes. That's not a job for the media. If Santos had had a background check for a security clearance as a requirement for the job, he would never have passed and he wouldn't have been on the ballot. Apparently unless they boot him from congress, there's nothing to stop him from handling classified documents. This is no way to run anything.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I'm not defending Joe Biden for his illegal handling of classified documents. That's reckless. He should be censured for it.

Now, having said that ... There are two differences with Trump's case :

1) The National Archives did not know these records were missing until White House lawyers contacted them.

2) The biggest difference is the level of cooperation. The FBI did not immediately obtain a search warrant of Mar-a-Lago either. There is documentation of months of negotiations between the National Archives and Trump's legal team. Trump remained non-compliant.

AG Merrick Garland has appointed a special counsel, Robert Hur, who was appointed U.S. Attorney for the District of Maryland by Donald Trump, to conduct an inquiry into Biden's handling of classified material. At least to this point, there is no evidence that Biden has obstructed an investigation. That may change. It's a developing matter.
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Another difference is when the public was made aware. This came to light 6 days before the midterms. Yet the public wasn't made aware until 10 weeks later. That's some grade A BS.
 
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volfanhill said:
Another difference is when the public was made aware. This came to light 6 days before the midterms. Yet the public wasn't made aware until 10 weeks later. That's some grade A BS.
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It's a stretch to think that this news would have had an impact on any of the elections, if it had been made public on the day the discovery was made. For one thing, a majority of the Democratic Party base either votes early or votes by mail. For another thing, if this recklessness from Biden truly bothers you, enough to turn away from Democrats and candidates that Biden has endorsed, wouldn't you feel the same way about candidates that Trump has endorsed? The reckless handling of material went both ways ... You just can't get around those two classified documents that Trump's own attorneys discovered in a storage unit in West Palm Beach. That was not a secure location. They should not have been there.

... and there is the matter that Biden wasn't up for re-election in 2022. Your argument is pretty weak.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It's a stretch to think that this news would have had an impact on any of the elections, if it had been made public on the day the discovery was made. For one thing, a majority of the Democratic Party base either votes early or votes by mail. For another thing, if this recklessness from Biden truly bothers you, enough to turn away from Democrats and candidates that Biden has endorsed, wouldn't you feel the same way about candidates that Trump has endorsed? The reckless handling of material went both ways ... You just can't get around those two classified documents that Trump's own attorneys discovered in a storage unit in West Palm Beach. That was not a secure location. They should not have been there.

... and there is the matter that Biden wasn't up for re-election in 2022. Your argument is pretty weak.
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What's the argument? It's a fact. This was suppressed. You can conjecture all you want but you don't know ****. It was suppressed for a reason. I mean if it's meaningless why wouldn't they come forward when it was discovered?
 
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volfanhill said:
What's the argument? It's a fact. This was suppressed. You can conjecture all you want but you don't know ****. It was suppressed for a reason. I mean if it's meaningless why wouldn't they come forward when it was discovered?
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I didn't say it was meaningless. I just don't think it would have had an impact on the mid-term elections, if the Biden Administration had been forthcoming with these discoveries as soon as they were made.

... as far as the suppression of information is concerned? The Biden Administration didn't talk about these discoveries until they had to. It's a lack of transparency. It's also business as usual in DC. Would the Trump Administration have disclosed these findings as soon as they were made? Unlikely.
 
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