Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

[Weezer]

I didn't say it was meaningless. I just don't think it would have had an impact on the mid-term elections, if the Biden Administration had been forthcoming with these discoveries as soon as they were made.

... as far as the suppression of information is concerned? The Biden Administration didn't talk about these discoveries until they had to. It's a lack of transparency. It's also business as usual in DC. Would the Trump Administration have disclosed these findings as soon as they were made? Unlikely.

The big difference is if it had been Trump suppressing information you would be losing your **** over it. But since it's Biden, no big deal.

 

[volfanhill]

I didn't say it was meaningless. I just don't think it would have had an impact on the mid-term elections, if the Biden Administration had been forthcoming with these discoveries as soon as they were made.

... as far as the suppression of information is concerned? The Biden Administration didn't talk about these discoveries until they had to. It's a lack of transparency. It's also business as usual in DC. Would the Trump Administration have disclosed these findings as soon as they were made? Unlikely.

So your standard is what would the Trump admin do? Not mine. And it sure as **** blows up the whole argument that Biden handled it better. He's equally the scumbag trump is. At this point I don't know how it's debatable.

 

[BowlBrother85]

The big difference is if it had been Trump suppressing information you would be losing your **** over it. But since it's Biden, no big deal.

That is not true at all. I have said in multiple posts that Joe Biden should be censured for this reckless handling of documents. I have also been critical of Biden's obvious hypocrisy and of his dishonesty.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So your standard is what would the Trump admin do? Not mine. And it sure as **** blows up the whole argument that Biden handled it better. He's equally the scumbag trump is. At this point I don't know how it's debatable.

They are indeed both scumbags.

However, a reasonable argument can be made that the Biden Administration did handle it better, by the simple fact that a subpoena was never needed for The National Archives to obtain the material marked as classified, which had been uncovered on Biden's property ... which by the way, The National Archives had not even requested (reportedly).

 

[volfanhill]

They are indeed both scumbags.

However, a reasonable argument can be made that the Biden Administration did handle it better, by the simple fact that a subpoena was never needed for The National Archives to obtain the material marked as classified, which had been uncovered on Biden's property ... which by the way, The National Archives had not even requested (reportedly).

Your desire to make Biden look better is stupid and obvious.

 

[Weezer]

That is not true at all. I have said in multiple posts that Joe Biden should be censured for this reckless handling of documents. I have also been critical of Biden's obvious hypocrisy and of his dishonesty.

It's absolutely true that when it's Trump, you're much, much more assertive in your condemnations.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I'm not defending Joe Biden for his illegal handling of classified documents. That's reckless. He should be censured for it.

Now, having said that ... There are two differences with Trump's case :

1) The National Archives did not know these records were missing until White House lawyers contacted them.

2) The biggest difference is the level of cooperation. The FBI did not immediately obtain a search warrant of Mar-a-Lago either. There is documentation of months of negotiations between the National Archives and Trump's legal team. Trump remained non-compliant.

AG Merrick Garland has appointed a special counsel, Robert Hur, who was appointed U.S. Attorney for the District of Maryland by Donald Trump, to conduct an inquiry into Biden's handling of classified material. At least to this point, there is no evidence that Biden has obstructed an investigation. That may change. It's a developing matter.

This was my first post to this thread.

 

[Weezer]

They are indeed both scumbags.

However, a reasonable argument can be made that the Biden Administration did handle it better, by the simple fact that a subpoena was never needed for The National Archives to obtain the material marked as classified, which had been uncovered on Biden's property ... which by the way, The National Archives had not even requested (reportedly).

Ah. I see you are using the luther continuum. Not sure I'd call that reasonable, but you do you.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Your desire to make Biden look better is stupid and obvious.

I strongly disagree.

Just as matters of legality, these respective cases are fundamentally different. Donald Trump defied a subpoena for documents which belonged to The National Archives, and then he foolishly signed a sworn affidavit in August which stated that there were no more documents marked as classified, stored on any of his private properties. Three months later, in December, that was proven to have been a lie. Trump's own attorneys discovered two documents marked as classified in a storage unit owned by Trump in West Palm Beach. This was obviously not a secure location.

Not only was a subpoena never needed for The National Archives to retrieve Biden's documents, the National Archives is claiming that they never even knew that Biden had them. They had not been requested. They were not being actively searched for by anyone in the Department of Justice - just Biden's legal team.

^^^^ Those are facts, ^^^^

.... and there is nothing stupid about pointing how Trump has broken some laws, which Biden did not.

 

[volfanhill]

I strongly disagree.

Just as matters of legality, these respective cases are fundamentally different. Donald Trump defied a subpoena for documents which belonged to The National Archives and then he foolishly signed a sworn affidavit in August which stated that there were no more documents marked as classified, stored on any of his private properties. Three months later, however, that was proven to have been a lie. Trump's own attorneys discovered two documents marked as classified in a storage unit owned by Trump in West Palm Beach.

Not only was a subpoena never needed for The National Archives to retrieve Biden's documents, the National Archives is claiming that they never even knew that Biden had them. They had not been requested. They were not being actively searched for by anyone in the Department of Justice - just Biden's legal team.

^^^^ Those are facts, ^^^^

.... and there is nothing stupid about pointing how Trump has broken some laws, which Biden did not.

Ummm Biden has broken those laws.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Ah. I see you are using the luther continuum. Not sure I'd call that reasonable, but you do you.

Trump defied a subpoena. Biden did not. This isn't complicated. Trump also lied in a sworn affidavit.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Ummm Biden has broken those laws.

Ummm .... Biden did not defy a subpoena. Nor has he lied in a sworn affidavit. He illegally removed and retained classified documents. I'm not defending that.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Trump was likely behind a false statement to the DOJ about secret documents being held at Mar-a-Lago, legal analysts say

^^^^ There is no evidence yet, that Joe Biden engaged in the obstruction of an investigation like this. ^^^^

If you have a source which proves otherwise, please provide a link to it.

 

[joevol33]

Trump was likely behind a false statement to the DOJ about secret documents being held at Mar-a-Lago, legal analysts say

^^^^ There is no evidence yet, that Joe Biden engaged in the obstruction of an investigation like this. ^^^^

If you have a source which proves otherwise, please provide a link to it.

"Trump was likely". I think he's a pathetic person, but it's hilarious watching you guys lose it over rumors, and stories with zero facts, just guesses and assumptions. Then, when it comes out that Biden has literally done the exact same thing, worse when it comes to being racist, you'll go into defense mode, or completely ignore it. Not necessarily just you with this, but Democrats with everything. I literally can't understand that, at all. I'll never get you guys calling Trump racist for 4 years (not once before he beat Hillary), but gladly support Biden, who has an entire career of being racist. I'll give you, there's definitely some hypocrisy in Republican people, but you guys are tops.

 

[BowlBrother85]

"Trump was likely". I think he's a pathetic person, but it's hilarious watching you guys lose it over rumors, and stories with zero facts, just guesses and assumptions. Then, when it comes out that Biden has literally done the exact same thing, worse when it comes to being racist, you'll go into defense mode, or completely ignore it. Not necessarily just you with this, but Democrats with everything. I literally can't understand that, at all. I'll never get you guys calling Trump racist for 4 years (not once before he beat Hillary), but gladly support Biden, who has an entire career of being racist. I'll give you, there's definitely some hypocrisy in Republican people, but you guys are tops.

You didn't read the article. It is filled with facts concerning Trump's misconduct.

The point is that Biden hasn't "literally done the exact same thing." Trump defied a subpoena. Biden never even had to be subpoenaed at all for the documents that his attorneys voluntarily handed over to The National Archives.

 

[Weezer]

Trump defied a subpoena. Biden did not. This isn't complicated. Trump also lied in a sworn affidavit.

Whataboutism.

 

[Weezer]

Trump defied a subpoena. Biden did not. This isn't complicated. Trump also lied in a sworn affidavit.

Ummm .... Biden did not defy a subpoena. Nor has he lied in a sworn affidavit. He illegally removed and retained classified documents. I'm not defending that.

Trump was likely behind a false statement to the DOJ about secret documents being held at Mar-a-Lago, legal analysts say

^^^^ There is no evidence yet, that Joe Biden engaged in the obstruction of an investigation like this. ^^^^

If you have a source which proves otherwise, please provide a link to it.

I thought you weren't defending Biden? Remember, it was in your first post.....

 

[BowlBrother85]

Whataboutism.

LOL!

The topic of this thread is "FBI executed search warrant on Trump."

The "what-about-ism" was the shift to Biden.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I thought you weren't defending Biden? Remember, it was in your first post.....

I'm not defending Biden's illegal handling of classified material. He should be censured, but unlike Donald Trump, there is no evidence that he has obstructed an investigation into the matter.

 

[Weezer]

LOL!

The topic of this thread is "FBI executed search warrant on Trump."

The "what-about-ism" was the shift to Biden.

I believe it was decided the new topic would just be discussed in this thread rather than starting a new one.


Sounds a lot like you're defending Biden.

 

[joevol33]

You didn't read the article. It is filled with facts concerning Trump's misconduct.

The point is that Biden hasn't "literally done the exact same thing." Trump defied a subpoena. Biden never even had to be subpoenaed at all for the documents that his attorneys voluntarily handed over to The National Archives.

So now it's allegedly defying a subpoena? Cause I promise, you can go look back through the thread when the story first came out about trump and classified documents, and it was all about classified documents. Now, since Biden had some, it's about "but Trump was issued a subpoena". It's pretty comical, but I'll admit, not as good as the Twitter hypocrisy you guys have shown. That thread, and the complete meltdown by the ones who were all for banning people, that's the best hypocrisy in the pf to me. And Biden didn't literally do the same on most stuff, he's actually much worse than Trump, especially at being racist. You guys just prove you don't even care about what you cry about. There's no way I can take anyone seriously, politically speaking, who called Trump a racist, and voted for Biden. Racism doesn't bother you guys at all, cause Trump doesn't hold a candle to Biden. Now, it's the outrage here. It went from "classified documents", to now you don't care about the classified documents, you had to find something since Biden was guilty, so you choose the subpoenas. Instead of admitting you support someone worse than Trump, you'll look silly trying to defend it. Anyway, free country and such.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So now it's allegedly defying a subpoena? Cause I promise, you can go look back through the thread when the story first came out about trump and classified documents, and it was all about classified documents. Now, since Biden had some, it's about "but Trump was issued a subpoena". It's pretty comical, but I'll admit, not as good as the Twitter hypocrisy you guys have shown. That thread, and the complete meltdown by the ones who were all for banning people, that's the best hypocrisy in the pf to me. And Biden didn't literally do the same on most stuff, he's actually much worse than Trump, especially at being racist. You guys just prove you don't even care about what you cry about. There's no way I can take anyone seriously, politically speaking, who called Trump a racist, and voted for Biden. Racism doesn't bother you guys at all, cause Trump doesn't hold a candle to Biden. Now, it's the outrage here. It went from "classified documents", to now you don't care about the classified documents, you had to find something since Biden was guilty, so you choose the subpoenas. Instead of admitting you support someone worse than Trump, you'll look silly trying to defend it. Anyway, free country and such.

The classification status has indeed been over-emphasized. I have said this about ten times now, and will say it again ...

It does not matter whether or not Trump de-classified every document stored on his properties. The issue is these items were not Trump's personal property. They did not become his personal property when he de-classified them. Trump was under legal obligation to transfer those items to The National Archives when he left office in January of 2021. Upon receiving a subpoena to deliver specific items to The National Archives, Trump was habitually non-compliant, and repeatedly lied about what he actually still possessed. He obstructed an investigation into the matter, and even accused the FBI of planting evidence.

 

[joevol33]

The classification status has indeed been over-emphasized. I have said this about ten times now, and will say it again ...

It does not matter whether or not Trump de-classified every document stored on his properties. The issue is these items were not Trump's personal property. They did not become his personal property when he de-classified them. Trump was under legal obligation to transfer those items to The National Archives when he left office in January of 2021. Upon receiving a subpoena to deliver specific items to The National Archives, Trump was habitually non-compliant, and repeatedly lied about what he actually still possessed. He obstructed an investigation into the matter, and even accused the FBI of planting evidence.

I'm not denying Trump did any of that, or defending him.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I believe it was decided the new topic would just be discussed in this thread rather than starting a new one.


Sounds a lot like you're defending Biden.

That doesn't render discussion of Trump irrelevant to this thread.

I'm being critical of Biden for removing classified documents from the White House, and then retaining possession of them. I'm also saying that, unlike Donald Trump, Joe Biden has not refused to hand over documents that legally belong to The National Archives.

 

[BowlBrother85]

It makes no sense for the National Archives to be the repository for classified documents. There are more appropriate places for those.

It's been the law since 1978 ... and it makes more sense than Biden's garage, or Trump's storage unit in West Palm Beach.