Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

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BowlBrother85 said:
Ummm .... Biden did not defy a subpoena. Nor has he lied in a sworn affidavit. He illegally removed and retained classified documents. I'm not defending that.
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Don't you find it disturbing that the documents Trump had were know to have been missing - hence the subpoena, and the ones joe had for at least six years apparently either weren't known to be missing or their disappearance had been covered up? In one case you could evaluate the damage if the files were compromised, but the other set could have cause a lot of damage without any responsible person knowing and taking preventive/corrective measures. It's like a much worse case of multiple identity theft and financial fraud if some institution is hacked and loses millions of records containing our personal data without knowledge or with a cover up.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:




It's been the law since 1978 ... and it makes more sense than Biden's garage, or Trump's storage unit in West Palm Beach.
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Have you ever been to the archives and done any research there? I have; it's not the most secure place in the world. I spent the day there several years ago digging up Civil War records. You determined what you wanted and submit a request. The documents were brought out and you and a bunch of other people went into a somewhat crowded room with desks and sat down to look through the package. Mine contained records for great-great grandfathers and one set from Revolutionary War - like the signed documents for bounty land. There were monitors, but it would have been easy enough to stash a couple of things away or deface documents.

What's worse; there had been flooding weeks or months previously, and some documents were lost entirely or damaged - nothing I was looking into, but power to the workstations still hadn't been restored. The best I could do was summarize information on a laptop until the battery ran out. Unfortunately this was before smartphones with cameras, so I couldn't even take pictures - seems like other cameras with flashes were not allowed, and the copier was overwhelmed and way overpriced. As far as security, you go to the desk, show some ID, and they snap a picture and provide you an access badge to wear - you keep the badge ... in case you might want to make your own.

Overall I think NARA probably does the best with what they have, but I don't get the impression they are fully up to the task. No doubt presidential records are treated differently, but who is to say that it would be impossible for someone to forge credentials - or worse to have valid credentials that were never voided after an administration ended. DC has a problem with forgetting about the "need to know" and shutting down security clearances when a job ends. The Archives may be able to limit the theft and potentially the sale of documents and memorabilia, but it's no place for the repository of classified documents - you are talking a home for historians - not a place for securing classified files.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The only reason that a search warrant was obtained for Mar-a-Lago and an FBI raid had to be conducted, was because Trump was withholding material from The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA), which the Presidential Records Act of 1978, requires Presidents to transfer over when they leave office. Trump was refusing to obey a law, and then he refused to comply with a subpoena.
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So any thoughts about why someone knew about the missing Trump documents and not about the ones joe had on hand? Better record keeping, tattletales, or coverup of misdeeds? My guess is the line to accuse Trump of anything and everything was long and undistinguished, but dem administrations are full of complicity and willful "lack of knowledge".
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I don't think malicious intent can be established until we know something about the nature of the documents which Biden was in possession of. His lawyers did the right thing by immediately delivering those documents to NARA and notifying the DOJ of the situation. AG Merrick Garland did the right thing by appointing a special counsel to investigate the matter.
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Ever ask your self why joe's lawyers were going through boxes in his garage and closed up offices? If records are supposed to be warehoused at the Archives, why did joe have boxes of them at home? And why didn't joe open up those boxes to see what was in them if they were in his garage?
 
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MarcoVol said:
Has anyone considered both Trump and Biden had classified docs and “misplaced” or “didn’t know” bc they’re both dinosaurs? Your mind really starts to go in old age and if anyone from either party says their guy is working with a full compliment of his mental faculties then they’re lying.

Are these really gonna be the candidates in ‘24? What a joke.
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Quit being jealous because a lot of us remember stuff you never knew.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Do very many people keep a "visitor log" of their private residence? That seems like an odd thing to just expect of someone.
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If becomes important when the residence is the home of someone in congress or the administration. Not all business is conducted in offices. Perhaps joe spends a lot of time at home because some of the people he deals with would draw questions at the WH. Who is to know how many times those "lost" documents were accessed and who took a gander at them. The tale being spun is that they have just been hidden undiscovered and untouched for six years.
 
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Majors said:
That's correct, I can assume the Presidents personal residence has a far more sophisticated camera system.
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Makes you wonder how many lapses there are in the "tapes" ... or how many stored discs or backup files have gone missing. Seems like that kind of thing was used against a republican president in the past.
 
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C-south said:
It wasn’t a knock on Reagan in any way. It was more of an underhanded jab at dementia Joe.
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I liked Reagan, and in many respects I think he was the last decent president. However, I always thought he probably relied on and delegated (unsupervised) too much to others, and probably took for granted too much what others said and recommended. I think his beliefs were generally on the right track; but as Iran/Contra proved, people who did the implementation weren't always the right or trustworthy people. Some things like declaring pension funds overfunded were just nuts, but I think others simply used his political leanings to take advantage of his diminished mental capacities. In the end if he wasn't "presidential", he certainly knew how to act it. No one else since Eisenhower has been more a statesman and authority figure. Imagine a first term healthy Reagan vs Putin - that would be a sight to see.
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
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More evidence out there a Biden might do just that.

Funny thing is most don't care about Trump. If he broke the law he should have to deal with it. I was concerned about the spectacle of the raid itself . FBI should have raided all of Biden's hidey holes after they discovered the first docs.
 
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Joe is about as useful as a circus monkey but I think some intelligent people will begin to ask why now when it comes to exposing the trove of classified documents that were stolen 6 years ago.
 
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I love the justifying and theorizing on why their particular cult leader was not guilty. F 'em both. Charge them both and stop justifying your cult leader breaking the law.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Joe is about as useful as a circus monkey but I think some intelligent people will begin to ask why now when it comes to exposing the trove of classified documents that were stolen 6 years ago.
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I think most believed they would look to boot him after the mid terms, that was my thought after he "won"
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I love the justifying and theorizing on why their particular cult leader was not guilty. F 'em both. Charge them both and stop justifying your cult leader breaking the law.
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The fact that neither side has leaked what was in the documents shows exactly how little they actually matter. It's just low hanging fruit, imo.
 
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AM64 said:
Don't you find it disturbing that the documents Trump had were know to have been missing - hence the subpoena, and the ones joe had for at least six years apparently either weren't known to be missing or their disappearance had been covered up? In one case you could evaluate the damage if the files were compromised, but the other set could have cause a lot of damage without any responsible person knowing and taking preventive/corrective measures. It's like a much worse case of multiple identity theft and financial fraud if some institution is hacked and loses millions of records containing our personal data without knowledge or with a cover up.
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Yes, that either of them had these documents is troubling, and how it occurred and whether anything has been compromised needs to be thoroughly investigated. If either or both (or their respective staffs) broke the law they need to be held accountable. The extra layer is Trump's refusal to return them for so long, but that is a separate legal question.

Moving forward, a close examination needs to be had of everything any former POTUS, VP, or staff take with them when they leave office.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, that either of them had these documents is troubling, and how it occurred and whether anything has been compromised needs to be thoroughly investigated. If either or both (or their respective staffs) broke the law they need to be held accountable. The extra layer is Trump's refusal to return them for so long, but that is a separate legal question.

Moving forward, a close examination needs to be had of everything any former POTUS, VP, or staff take with them when they leave office.
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Extra layer jab at Trump but no jab at Biden having stolen documents under Obama for 6 years.
 
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