Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

[evillawyer]

Good Lord you are clueless

OK Cardozo, explain to me what the view is. I'm having a hard time understanding how you folks reconcile the purported commitment to one set of laws that we're all equally subject to with the observed caterwauling about the audacity of investigating Trump for criming.

 

[sonofUT62]

My morally corrupt threshold may be a tad higher than yours. Also, I am not saying that they are the only ones. He said moral politicians don't exist and I thought of four in less than a minute.

What’s Cooper done that’s so great? I can’t claim I know much about him.

 

[hUTch2002]

Gonna be even more crazy if a Trump appointed Federal judge signed off on the warrant from a Trump appointed FBI director.

Why should that matter? These people aren’t supposed to be partisan.

 

[Majors]

Tim Scott (R)
Rand Paul (R)
Tulsi Gabbard (D)
Roy Cooper (D)

Fine list of fine, decent people. Like I said, that politician does not exist.

 

[volinbham]

Discussing this with a friend. Seems like Republicans are committed to the view that some people are above the law, at least to some degree. Basically, Trump should be immune to investigation for "minor crimes"--whatever those are--because the possibility that the investigation is being used for political purposes. Is that the basic view? And if so, are you ok with certain people being immune to investigation and prosection for certain crimes simply because, to quote Ron Burgundy, they're "kind of a big deal"?

I don't know anyone who believes this but you and your friend are welcome to imagine what people different than you think

 

[PEPPERJAX]

This goes to my point. Republicans are committed to the view that certain people, because of their status, are immune to at least a certain subset of criminal laws. Those with this rare form of immunity can just thumb their nose at those laws.

I am just anxious to see some real fireworks this time. No more blue balls!

 

[volgr]

Well at least you're openly admitting that this D list celebrity realtor is above the law and should get to play by different rules.

Many are afraid to say that bit out loud.

Trump shouldn't be above the law, but neither should the FBI - who may have a self serving interest in obtaining these classified files if they pertain to Spygate.

 

[evillawyer]

I don't know anyone who believes this but you and your friend are welcome to imagine what people different than you think

So reconcile the observed data: (1) a purported commitment to no one being above the law, with (2) the affront that Republicans are taking to Trump being investigated for criming by the FBI. The best I can come up with is that Trump should "sorta" be immune from certain crimes.

 

[theFallGuy]

OK Cardozo, explain to me what the view is. I'm having a hard time understanding how you folks reconcile the purported commitment to one set of laws that we're all equally subject to with the observed caterwauling about the audacity of investigating Trump for criming.

It's impossible to explain anything to you it would be a waste of both of our time. There is no way in your "world view" that Trump is not guilty of some crime against humanity

 

[volgr]

Discussing this with a friend. Seems like Republicans are committed to the view that some people are above the law, at least to some degree. Basically, Trump should be immune to investigation for "minor crimes"--whatever those are--because the possibility that the investigation is being used for political purposes. Is that the basic view? And if so, are you ok with certain people being immune to investigation and prosection for certain crimes simply because, to quote Ron Burgundy, they're "kind of a big deal"?

Did you say that with a straight face? No person or family has been investigated more than the Trumps. There may not be a cleaner politician running today, than Trump. Now, as one poster said he is morally bankrupt, I'm not arguing that but as far as legally clean, to this point the man has withstood a legal threshold that most aren't held to.

 

[volinbham]

So reconcile the observed data: (1) a purported commitment to no one being above the law, with (2) the affront that Republicans are taking to Trump being investigated for criming by the FBI. The best I can come up with is that Trump should "sorta" be immune from certain crimes.

false argument - the objection is not to Trump being investigated; from what I've seen the objection is the extreme action taken by the DOJ/FBI.

using your friend's Netflix account is criming - if they bust down your door and take your TVs for it I think most people would question the investigative tactics.

 

[Septic]

Trump shouldn't be above the law, but neither should the FBI - who may have a self serving interest in obtaining these classified files if they pertain to Spygate.

I agree. However, many of the trumpers would have everyone believe that every time the FBI looks in donny's direction - it's politically motivated and they seek to discount any investigation on those grounds, irrespective of facts or evidence.

That is precisely why trump picked that fight with them in the first place. Insulting them and publicly questioning their motives - the intentional undermining of the institution happened early and often. Culminating in the firing of a guy who wouldn't pledge fealty after that guys actions are almost the soul reason he was elected in the first place. It's astonishing that in four short years, donny managed to have so many American's question our election system, but also the only investigatory agency that could investigate HIM. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

 

[evillawyer]

false argument - the objection is not to Trump being investigated; from what I've seen the objection is the extreme action taken by the DOJ/FBI.

using your friend's Netflix account is criming - if they bust down your door and take your TVs for it I think most people would question the investigative tactics.

So the issue is that the FBI didn't ask nicely!?!? Thanks, that makes it all so clear now.

You know when they executed the search warrant they did it in plain clothes to make it less humiliating, right? And Trump had been repeatedly asked to return all of the records he took in violation of the Presidential Records Act. He didn't it.

Sorta like how you guys love saying if the black guy had just complied with instructions the cops gave him, they wouldn't have gotten rough with him. Trump didn't return what the law required him to return. He was asked to return it. He didn't.

 

[BreatheUT]

 

[Septic]

Did you say that with a straight face? No person or family has been investigated more than the Trumps. There may not be a cleaner politician running today, than Trump. Now, as one poster said he is morally bankrupt, I'm not arguing that but as far as legally clean, to this point the man has withstood a legal threshold that most aren't held to.

 

[OHvol40]

All of them should be subjected to the same amount of scrutiny and perp walk optics as the next.

I think the problem and possible difference between us is that I have no illusion that it's going to change or get better or that the "right thing" even exists.

I see a scumbag like trump getting embarrassed and I don't care. I would have been perfectly OK with Hil-dawg's place getting raided for the email server.

I suspect many on the right who are decrying trumps embarrassment as partisan motivated would have been cackling like hyenas if it had happened to Hillary under the exact same circumstances. That's why I find so much amusement in the pearl clutching, outrage feigning trumpers whining about slippery slopes.

What takes the cake is how close the (assumed) accusations against Trump and Hillary are. ShE dElEteD hEr SeRVeRz, LoCk hEr uP.

The inability to self-diagnose sanctimony is painful to watch.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Judge who signed off the FBI raid on Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago mansion donated $2,000 to Barack Obama's campaign and represented Jeffrey Epstein's Lolita Express pilots, his scheduler and 'Yugoslavian sex slave'

The Florida judge who signed off the FBI raid on Donald Trump's mansion represented Jeffrey Epstein's workers, it has been revealed.

Bruce Reinhart acted for several employees of the billionaire pedophile before he sanctioned the 'unannounced' search on Mar-a-Lago yesterday.

He left the local US Attorney's office over a decade ago to set up a private practice and help staff members including his Lolita Express pilots and his scheduler.

He was accused in a lawsuit of breaking the Justice Department's policies by using information from his previous job to benefit in the private sector, which he denied.

Meanwhile Reinhart was also revealed to have donated to Barack Obama's campaign in 2008 and Jeb Bush's when he ran against Trump in 2015.

Bruce Reinhart (left) acted for several employees of the billionaire pedophile (right) before he sanctioned the 'unannounced' search on Mar-a-Lago yesterday

He helped the billionaire pedophile's pilots, scheduler Sarah Kellen and who he called his 'Yugoslavian sex slave' Nadia Marcinkova (pictured)

Sources told the New York Post Reinhart approved the FBI warrant that let them ransack the Florida mansion yesterday morning.

Agents had filed two requests with the federal magistrate in West Palm Beach before the search was carried out.

Reinhart was made a magistrate judge four years ago after spending 10 years in the private sector where he worked with Epstein's staff.

He helped the billionaire pedophile's pilots Larry Visoski, David Rodgers, Larry Morrison and Bill Hammond.

He also worked with scheduler Sarah Kellen and Nadia Marcinkova, who was known as his 'Yugoslavian sex slave'.

On New Year's Day 2008 he left his job at the South Florida US Attorney's Office and went to work with the employees the next day.

Jeffrey Epstein's 'Lolita Express' pilot Larry Visoski (pictured last year) was one of those represented by Reinhart

Reinhart was hauled over the coals in a 2011 Crime Victims' Rights Act lawsuit which accused him of violating Justice Department policies by switching sides.

It implied the attorney had leveraged inside information about the probe into Epstein's affairs to gain favor with him.

He flatly denied this and said he was nothing to do with the team that was looking into the pedophile's horrific crimes.

But two years later his former supervisors in the US Attorney's Office said 'while Bruce E Reinhart was an assistant U.S. attorney, he learned confidential, non-public information about the Epstein matter'.

He hit back in 2018, telling the Miami Herald: 'Even assuming I had participated ''personally and substantially'' in the Epstein investigation [which I did not], the relevant Department of Justice regulations only prohibited me from communicating with, or appearing before, the United States on behalf of Mr. Epstein.'

He made clear in the statement he had represented the disgraced financier's workers but had nothing to do with him - yet would not say who paid for them.

But in Newsmax appearances, he appeared to shrug off accusations against Epstein and his workers.

It also emerged today Reinhart donated to Obama's campaign twice in 2008 totaling $2,000, as well as to Trump rival Bush in 2015.

Justice Department spokesman Dena Iverson declined to comment on the search, including about whether AG Merrick Garland had personally authorized it.

Trump's supporters were quick to turn out after learning he'd been raided by the FBI. His fans say it's a double standard and a desperate attempt by the left to thwart a potential 2024 run

A reporter is heckled by anti-media and pro-Trump protesters across the waterfront from Mar-A-Lago

Some also held invectives against Joe Biden, with one wearing a t-shirt of the president's face saying 'Not my Dictator'

Judge who signed off FBI raid on Mar-a-Lago represented Jeffrey Epstein's workers | Daily Mail Online

 

[volgr]

I agree. However, many of the trumpers would have everyone believe that every time the FBI looks in donny's direction - it's politically motivated and they seek to discount any investigation on those grounds, irrespective of facts or evidence.

That is precisely why trump picked that fight with them in the first place. Insulting them and publicly questioning their motives - the intentional undermining of the institution happened early and often. Culminating in the firing of a guy who wouldn't pledge fealty. It's astonishing that in four short years, donny managed to have so many American's question our election system, but also the only investigatory agency that could investigate HIM. Doesn't take a genius to figure out why.

I mean recent history would prove the Trumpers belief correct. He is being politically prosecuted and targeted while UniParty families like Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Biden are largely protected and given a pass. I am all for holding President's and all elected officials to the same standard as citizens, but it has to be done in an even unbiased manner which any rational person can easily see is not being done.

Trump didn't destroy norms, the UniParty response to Trump has destroyed norms.

 

[Ttucke11]

The main gist I get out of all this is that a slope is never slippery enough for a Democrat.

 

[Septic]

What takes the cake is how close the (assumed) accusations against Trump and Hillary are. ShE dElEteD hEr SeRVeRz, LoCk hEr uP.

The inability to self-diagnose sanctimony is painful to watch.

Cognitive dissonance is alive and well.

 

[volinbham]

So the issue is that the FBI didn't ask nicely!?!? Thanks, that makes it all so clear now.

You know when they executed the search warrant they did it on plain clothes to make it less humiliating, right? And Trump had been repeatedly asked to return all of the records he took in violation of the Presidential Records Act. He didn't it.

Sorta like how you guys love saying if the black guy had just complied with instructions the cops gave him, they wouldn't have gotten rough with him. Trump didn't return what the law required him to return. He was asked to return it. He didn't.

LOL.

If this is only about not returning records it's going to backfire hugely. To the detriment of everyone. But you get to celebrate sticking it to Trump.

For the record, if the FBI raided all of Hillary's offices and homes and confiscated all her electronic devices I'd consider it overreach as well.

 

[OHvol40]

Didn’t the national debt triple during the Reagan years? Seems like he labeled himself correctly during that speech, a performer.

 

[evillawyer]

Conservatives Believe Trump Is Above the Law

 

[Septic]

I mean recent history would prove the Trumpers belief correct. He is being politically prosecuted and targeted while UniParty families like Bush, Cheney, Clinton, Biden are largely protected and given a pass. I am all for holding President's and all elected officials to the same standard as citizens, but it has to be done in an even unbiased manner which any rational person can easily see is not being done.

Trump didn't destroy norms, the UniParty response to Trump has destroyed norms.

Yes, he's a victim. Trump was just reading his bible the whole time.

 

[volgr]

Except, to this point, there has been no fire. Even now, this latest ridiculousness is a nothing burger. These aren't files related to 1/6. This is using the FBI to go after Milton for stealing the red stapler (Office Space reference for those too young).