Federal Indictment of Donald Trump

[volgr]

The Supreme Court has not.

Baahahahahahahahahaa....say it again....one more time...

 

[volgr]

How do you misinterpret this :

Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.

You are an idiot.

Bahahahahahaha...stop while you have some shred of dignity left. Don't double down. Or do, and look like an idiot...I don't really care.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Bahahahahahaha...stop while you are ahead. Don't double down. Or do, and look like an idiot...I don't really care.

Again ... the law is very clear.

Presidential records are not the personal property of the President. They are public property, and must be handed over to NARA, as soon as the President leaves office.

You are thick as a 2x4.

 

[volgr]

Trump hating leftist: dur dur dur, have you heard of the PRA...dur dur dur, the walls are closing in now.

Court: The President not the PRA, has sole responsibility...

Trump hating leftist: dur dur dur, but that's not the Supreme Court...dur dur dur

Good Lord these people are pathetically stupid...just pathetic people in general.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Trump hating leftist: dur dur dur, have you heard of the PRA...dur dur dur, the walls are closing in now.

Court: The President not the PRA, has sole responsibility...

Trump hating leftist: dur dur dur, but that's not the Supreme Court...dur dur dur

Good Lord these people are pathetically stupid...just pathetic people in general.

You are leaning heavily on that case ...but Congress has amended the PRA since her initial ruling. This has been discussed before.

You are an idiot.

 

[volgr]

Trump hating leftist, after the finally accept the Court's Clinton decision: Yeah, but dur dur dur, what about the Obstruction...dur dur dur, walls closing in now...

Obstruction of what?? An unlawful request?

The pivot will be fun to watch.

 

[volgr]

You are leaning heavily on that case ...but Congress has amended the PRA since her initial ruling. This has been discussed before.

You are an idiot.

You seem to not understand the separation of powers.

 

[hUTch2002]

So, in other words, you guys don't believe that the President of the United States should do this ....

Trump Calls for AG Barr to Indict Joe Biden With 26 Days Until Election

Trump Calls on Barr to ‘Act’ Against Biden Before Election

Trump ups pressure on Barr to probe Bidens as election nears

Trump Urges Barr to Initiate Investigation Into Joe Biden and Son

Trump pressures Barr to investigate Bidens with election 2 weeks away

‘Where are all of the arrests?’: Trump demands Barr lock up his foes

Republicans stayed quiet when Donald Trump was tweeting these demands to his Attorney General, with less than a month until the 2020 Presidential Election. Those tweets were obviously politically-motivated. Republicans look like hypocrites now.

As for the Republicans/Conservatives/Trump supporters on this forum who are complaining about how this is election interference and a politically-motivated, witch hunt of an opponent?

Cry me the Nile f***ing River.

You would have loved it, if Attorney General, William Barr, had done what Donald Trump wanted him to do in October of 2020 and had Joe Biden indicted.

For those claiming this is Biden targeting his opponent you have a great point. But isn’t the inverse now true as well that you were appalled when Trump did those things but are ok with this? Just like many Trump voters have a blind spot for Trump’s actions, you seem to have a blind spot for the actions of Dems.

None of this should be hard. It doesn’t matter when an election is being held. If someone broke the law then they should be punished, period. Rep, Dem, independent, whatever.

 

[BowlBrother85]

You seem to not understand the separation of powers.

Are you saying that the President doesn't have to follow the law? This should be good,

 

[Septic]

Are you saying that the President doesn't have to follow the law? This should be good,

You're trying to rationalize with the irrational.

 

[volgr]

Are you saying that the President doesn't have to follow the law? This should be good,

Do you not understand separation of powers? I think the problem, once again, lies with you and your limited understanding.

 

[volgr]

You're trying to rationalize with the irrational.

Says the guy who thought it was possible Trump was selling nuclear secrets. No one takes you seriously. You are a clown.

 

[ETV]

So what’s the next step for the left? Take down another republican challenger?

Yesterday, during the evening show on the XM progress channel, the host began talking about Ron DeSantis and how Newsome should proceed with arresting him once Ron steps off the plane in California. All of that theater for claiming DeSantis kidnapped migrants and deported them to California. The callers were all in agreement over this.

Talk about the lefts plan for the soul of the nation. Just eliminate everyone that disagrees with you.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Do you not understand separation of powers? I think the problem, once again, lies with you and your limited understanding.

I do understand separation of powers... but the President must still obey laws which Congress has passed. Nobody is above the law in this country (at least in theory, if not in practice).

 

[Orangeslice13]

I chuckled, you just have to keep raising the bar. A lot has happened since those days and more will happen in the future. The results may or may not be what someone wants, but something will happen. Personally I wish all the Characters in this play would just go away and resign but they would be replaced by more idiots from both tribes.

Bottom line: This will be going on after the Presidential Election and beyond. Nobody will let this go and both sides will never agree on who is to blame or let go. Until we cut the extremes out of the equation.

Congress and the media needs to be reformatted like a hard drive. The American people are the ones paying for all this BS.

Nothing to disagree with here.
Actually agree completely.
Don’t get me wrong. I think Trump is absolutely a criminal. So is Biden and his family. HRC should have gotten jail time for the things we know about. Can’t imagine what an honest investigation would have found.
I’m just absolutely convinced that this is all theater and that nothing is going to happen as if someone is actually held accountable…..if anyone is actually held accountable….then it starts a chain reaction that our fearless leaders can’t afford.

 

[Septic]

Says the guy who thought it was possible Trump was selling nuclear secrets. No one takes you seriously. You are a clown.

It is possible. Anything is. Is it possible your parents had children that lived?

 

[Franklin Pierce]

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow becomes Online Punchline after saying network won't 'knowingly broadcast untrue things'

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow was pilloried by conservatives after declaring the network couldn't "knowingly broadcast untrue things" as its reasoning behind not taking former President Trump's post-indictment speech live.

The highly paid anchor and Russiagate enthusiast usually only appears Monday nights but joined MSNBC's special coverage on Tuesday of the historic federal charges against Trump, where she explained why the left-wing network would not air Trump in real time as he addressed supporters in Bedminister, N.J.

"As we have said before in these circumstances, there is a cost to us as a news organization to knowingly broadcast untrue things," she said. "We are here to bring you the news. It hurts our ability to do that if we live broadcast what we fully expect in advance to be a litany of lies and false accusations, no matter who says them. And I do not say this with any glee."


"Rachel Maddow will determine which lies are fit for the public to hear. That will work out well," writer Jason Whitlock tweeted in response.

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow becomes online punchline after saying network won't 'knowingly broadcast untrue things'

 

[AM64]

Once the President leaves Office with his records, they are his to do with as he/she pleases. They were entrusted by voters with nuclear codes and the Nation's highest secrets for 4 years. They are provided SCIF's to store the documents afterwards.

Even if this is correct, it would be wrong. A president is elected to fill a position for a defined period of time. When he's through, he holds no real position ... fortunately in most cases. The records should never belong to the individual; they are the the history, the record of decisions that guided the country during the president's tenure. Those documents and decisions (all of them) should be available for successors as a basis for further direction and decisions. Records belong to the country - not a temporary occupant of the WH. The sooner everyone is reminded that officials in DC "represent" us the better. Trump is wrong about a lot of this, but so are many others. Trump should not be singled out - prosecute all or none; and some realistic rules for classification, storage, and retrieval of records need to be developed. Nobody in government should be a law unto himself. The first basic tenet in the position of president was that he not be a king.

 

[Septic]

Tears of laughter or joy?

yes.

 

[AM64]

Cameras are not allowed in federal courts. Dershowitz knows that.

Do you believe that is the right decision - to ban the recording of actions in courts - that the public has no right to see the proceedings? Should we simply rely on biased news sources to explain what happened and how some incredible judgements came to be? Are the courts (outside civil courts) something that we should not be entitled to see? Remember before answering that courts make decisions that affect us as much as or more than the other two branches of the government. The SC has the ability to overturn decisions and laws made by the other two branches without review or threat of being overruled, and the judges are there for life. The judicial branch deserves far more scrutiny and it is the one branch closest to tyranny; courts as they exist have the ability to nullify laws and to make law by decision (precedent). We are a nation ruled not by codified law, but by a cobbled together quilt of judicial decisions.

 

[AM64]

Nothing to disagree with here.
Actually agree completely.
Don’t get me wrong. I think Trump is absolutely a criminal. So is Biden and his family. HRC should have gotten jail time for the things we know about. Can’t imagine what an honest investigation would have found.
I’m just absolutely convinced that this is all theater and that nothing is going to happen as if someone is actually held accountable…..if anyone is actually held accountable….then it starts a chain reaction that our fearless leaders can’t afford.

That last sentence about setting off a chain reaction in DC is definitely what holds the place together - the glue binding the swamp and keeping the swamp creatures on the same path. They are all guilty of the same sins, and when the first falls ... Ever since Trump was elected DC collectively has crapped its pants trying to get him out the door. He's not one of them, doesn't have the same sins, so he's a risk in a high place. What's worse is the swamp creatures have had voters convinced the president must be one of them; Trump showed that an outsider probably had a lot of better ideas because he thought outside the DC box.

 

[VolStrom]

That last sentence about setting off a chain reaction in DC is definitely what holds the place together - the glue binding the swamp and keeping the swamp creatures on the same path. They are all guilty of the same sins, and when the first falls ... Ever since Trump was elected DC collectively has crapped its pants trying to get him out the door. He's not one of them, doesn't have the same sins, so he's a risk in a high place. What's worse is the swamp creatures have had voters convinced the president must be one of them; Trump showed that an outsider probably had a lot of better ideas because he thought outside the DC box.

I think Ramaswamy would be a great replacement for Trump. He's an outsider, he's intelligent, he's a great speaker, he has great ideas and he's young.

 

[BowlBrother85]

A president is elected to fill a position for a defined period of time. When he's through, he holds no real position ... fortunately in most cases. The records should never belong to the individual; they are the the history, the record of decisions that guided the country during the president's tenure. Those documents and decisions (all of them) should be available for successors as a basis for further direction and decisions. Records belong to the country - not a temporary occupant of the WH. The sooner everyone is reminded that officials in DC "represent" us the better.

This is a very good summation ... and this is why the Presidential Records Act exists.

Presidential records are not the private property of the President, and they must be relinquished to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) when the President leaves office. That is what the law clearly says.

* Also, if Trump wasn't well aware of the impropriety of retaining the documents in his possession, then why was he moving them around and going to so much effort to keep the FBI from finding them?

1) Trump obviously knew what the law (The Presidential Records Act of 1978) was.
2) Trump knew that he was in violation of this law.
3) Trump went to considerable effort to obstruct the enforcement of this law.
4) Trump's actions reflect a consciousness of guilt, when it comes to breaking this law.

 

[volgr]

This is a very good summation ... and this is why the Presidential Records Act exists.

Presidential records are not the private property of the President, and they must be relinquished to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) when the President leaves office. That is what the law clearly says.

* Also, if Trump wasn't well aware of the impropriety of retaining the documents in his possession, then why was he moving them around and going to so much effort to keep the FBI from finding them?

1) Trump obviously knew what the law (The Presidential Records Act of 1978) was.
2) Trump knew that he was in violation of this law.
3) Trump went to considerable effort to obstruct the enforcement of this law.
4) Trump's actions reflect a consciousness of guilt, when it comes to breaking this law.

This isn't how the Court in the Clinton case interpreted the law, but of course that won't stop you from continuing on your idiotic quest.

 

[Orangeburst]

Even if this is correct, it would be wrong. A president is elected to fill a position for a defined period of time. When he's through, he holds no real position ... fortunately in most cases. The records should never belong to the individual; they are the the history, the record of decisions that guided the country during the president's tenure. Those documents and decisions (all of them) should be available for successors as a basis for further direction and decisions. Records belong to the country - not a temporary occupant of the WH. The sooner everyone is reminded that officials in DC "represent" us the better. Trump is wrong about a lot of this, but so are many others. Trump should not be singled out - prosecute all or none; and some realistic rules for classification, storage, and retrieval of records need to be developed. Nobody in government should be a law unto himself. The first basic tenet in the position of president was that he not be a king.

Since all docs are generated on a computer, the gov still has the files.