Feds charge six men accused in plot to kidnap Michigan governor

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lawgator1 said:
Trump should personally condemn this, on video, and tell his supporters he disavows any right wing groups that engages in violence or terrorism. Period.

No "but ifs," or "unless," etc. No equivocation. No blame shifting. No but the other side... just condemn it, straight up
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Biden and Harris should definitely be calling these guys terrorists and tying them to Trump. No question Trump would do the same if this was Antifa.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
I don't think it was Trump's tweet in and of itself, these guys have likely always been anti-government nutjobs in the same vein of Timothy McVeigh, but I would bet Trump's tweet helped motivate them to go from all talk no action to let's blow sh!t up and kill the governor.
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I'm calling ********!!! So much in that statement that is just bunk. The radicals in Michigan don't need a nudge. That state has so many militias with fractional differences in their viewpoints it's staggering. Also why I'm glad I left.
 
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lawgator1 said:
False. They are Trump supporters and he encourages them to do these kinds of things, I'm ok kindly and sometimes fairly explicitly.
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They work for the campaign or something? You want your candidate to be responsible for the actions of all 60,000,000 voters or so that they will have? Should the Biden campaign pay to rebuild all the burned out buildings in Minneapolis, Kenosha, Portland, etc.? You are insane.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Correct. It’s a much bigger thing than your BS narrow word parsing which totally misrepresents what our government is. Just like I said.

And yes correct you are a disingenuous word parser.
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I didnt know being lazy was disingenuous. I think you just want to pick a fight more than have a discussion. That's cool. Get your little kicks. You're pedantic when it suits your argument. Sounds fun.

My sarcastic point still stands that, whatever the F we are, we're all good and definitely not headed straight for the fallen empires pile. But way to own a lib.
 
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Ashevolle said:
I didnt know being lazy was disingenuous. I think you just want to pick a fight more than have a discussion. That's cool. Get your little kicks. You're pedantic when it suits your argument. Sounds fun.

My sarcastic point still stands that, whatever the F we are, we're all good and definitely not headed straight for the fallen empires pile. But way to own a lib.
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I’ll add butthurt to the disingenuous accusation. I’ll take your word on lazy seems like a reasonable self diagnosis. Thanks for playing 👍
 
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lawgator1 said:
False. They are Trump supporters and he encourages them to do these kinds of things, I'm ok kindly and sometimes fairly explicitly.
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At least one of your so called "Trump supporters," Brandon Caserta called the Constitution illegitimate, hated the police, and had an anarchist flag. I call on Biden to condemn this Democrat supporter. It is obvious to me that Caserta took orders from Maxine to get up in the face of politicians, and also from Biden talking of the police becoming the enemy. That must be what pushed this guy over the edge.
 
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The militias in Michigan hate . Gov period. They are not going to carry out anyone's agenda but their own. To say they could possibly be giving marching orders by anyone in gov is cringeworthy. They hated Jennifer Grandholm too. There was a task Force of the Michigan State police detailed with the FBI that followed these groups and they were based in my town. At that time they were tracking 12 groups activities and movements.
There were more groups, but the other 13 groups were not high enough threat level. That was just southwestern Michigan.
This has been going on for years in Michigan. This is not new or novel.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
The militias in Michigan hate . Gov period. They are not going to carry out anyone's agenda but their own. To say they could possibly be giving marching orders by anyone in gov is cringeworthy. They hated Jennifer Grandholm too. There was a task Force of the Michigan State police detailed with the FBI that followed these groups and they were based in my town. At that time they were tracking 12 groups activities and movements.
There were more groups, but the other 13 groups were not high enough threat level. That was just southwestern Michigan.
This has been going on for years in Michigan. This is not new or novel.
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I've always thought of michigan as being pretty lame but you're making it sound pretty exciting.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
I'm calling ********!!! So much in that statement that is just bunk. The radicals in Michigan don't need a nudge. That state has so many militias with fractional differences in their viewpoints it's staggering. Also why I'm glad I left.
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Maybe so, but when's the last time one of those fractional militias actually did something? Every action has a catalyst. Like I said before they've likely always had their beliefs, but Trump's tweet/other things he's said about Whitmer being the catalyst for them to actually act can't be ignored.
 
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NurseGoodVol said:
The militias in Michigan hate . Gov period. They are not going to carry out anyone's agenda but their own. To say they could possibly be giving marching orders by anyone in gov is cringeworthy. They hated Jennifer Grandholm too. There was a task Force of the Michigan State police detailed with the FBI that followed these groups and they were based in my town. At that time they were tracking 12 groups activities and movements.
There were more groups, but the other 13 groups were not high enough threat level. That was just southwestern Michigan.
This has been going on for years in Michigan. This is not new or novel.
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I thought it was a bit odd that LG thinks they are Trump supporters who hate the Constitution and the police, and have anarchist flags.
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Maybe so, but when's the last time one of those fractional militias actually did something? Every action has a catalyst. Like I said before they've likely always had their beliefs, but Trump's tweet/other things he's said about Whitmer being the catalyst for them to actually act can't be ignored.
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Whitmer blamed it on his “stand back and stand by” comment from the first debate. She sure didn’t waste any time making it political.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I thought it was a bit odd that LG thinks they are Trump supporters who hate the Constitution and the police, and have anarchist flags.
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They are not trump or Obama or bush supporters. They just want government gone. That includes state and local.
It's more than a bit odd, it's sadly lacking in logic.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Whitmer blamed it on his “stand back and stand by” comment from the first debate. She sure didn’t waste any time making it political.
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A fringe right wing group planning to kidnap the Democratic governor of Michigan isn't political? Mods can we move this thread to the FF?
 
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Tyler Durden said:
Maybe so, but when's the last time one of those fractional militias actually did something? Every action has a catalyst. Like I said before they've likely always had their beliefs, but Trump's tweet/other things he's said about Whitmer being the catalyst for them to actually act can't be ignored.
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That's why the fbi follow these people. They bust key members to stop them from getting too organized. Especially in northern Michigan which is even more radical than southern Michigan. Cut the head of the snake off and nothing happens.
These people don't play tiddlewinks when the government pisses them off. Gretchen is target 1 because of her actions as governor. She has pushed forward with powers under emergency that are completely Orwellian and she's severely hurting families that live check to check in Michigan. That alone will get a militia in Michigan involved in a plot.


I understand the line you are pushing, but you are wrong. You want to keep blaming trump feel free. Michigan had issues long before trump and will long after. But you keep shootin Tex, you'll eventually hit something.
 
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