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#77
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OrangeByBirth said:
Oh goodie ... another thread to do away with academics.

BULL$HIT! Academic standards are part of life at a university. If a kid wants to play football, he should learn to study or accept the fact that he may have to go to JUCO.
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You might find the "Ivy league" a little more to your liking. This is the SEC and the home of big time football. High academic standards and great atheletes don't typically go hand in hand. UT football and it's successes are the face of this university. You may choose to disagree, but it's the truth. I do believe in good academics and high graduation rates, but at the end of the day our "athletics" admissions should be in line with our SEC rivals.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
Winning championships=increased revenues=more money for academics=higher professor salaries and better facilties= better academics.

This is a formula even the most devoted egghead should understand. It is sad that they don't.
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lazy & mistake-prone recruiting/poor coaching/insufficient player development/lack of discipline = losing football (see: Fulmer Cup, Hamilton, Sanders, Clawfense, Kiffin, Dooley, Sunseri, 5 DUI punter, cheeseburger stickup, Bar Knoxville etc. ad nauseum)

unproven and ridiculous claims of UT football athletes at an unfair academic advantage = pitiful excuse from slack-jawed yokels
 
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So many junk courses in ALL colleges today. Whether UT, vandie, har-vurd or saban tech, "liberal arts" tracks are useless trash. This from a public school teacher in his 40th year in the classroo, too. GBO!
 
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I have mixed feelings about the standards. I'm fine with our current standards ONLY if we are looking for ACC admission. Since we aren't, we need to drop them in line with the rest of the SEC. We can't have it both ways. Just ask James Franklin. We have to choose, or our football game is on its way to the dustbin of history.
I find it funny that Butt Cheek did not pull this same stunt with Floridiot football. Kinda makes you wonder......
 
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iluvsmesumdooley said:
I have mixed feelings about the standards. I'm fine with our current standards ONLY if we are looking for ACC admission. Since we aren't, we need to drop them in line with the rest of the SEC. We can't have it both ways. Just ask James Franklin. We have to choose, or our football game is on its way to the dustbin of history.
I find it funny that Butt Cheek did not pull this same stunt with Floridiot football. Kinda makes you wonder......
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So, you think that higher academic standards and success on the football field are mutually exclusive? And, you would choose success on the football field over higher academic standards?

In your opinion, what is the purpose of the University of Tennessee?
 
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1truevol said:
You might find the "Ivy league" a little more to your liking. This is the SEC and the home of big time football. High academic standards and great atheletes don't typically go hand in hand. UT football and it's successes are the face of this university. You may choose to disagree, but it's the truth. I do believe in good academics and high graduation rates, but at the end of the day our "athletics" admissions should be in line with our SEC rivals.
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No. I'm not an Ivy league type at all. I'm tired of excuses. The SEC standards are mid-road for the NCAA. UT standards are mid-road for the SEC. U.S. News Rankings of Top Six Football Conferences : Outkick The Coverage

UT standards are actually lower than those of "rivals" except SC. The only thing that is available for whining is the lack of a "bookbinding" major to allow athletes to claim to be students without actually requiring them to be students.

Elementary and high schools have to put athletes in a position to succeed in an academic environment. Passing students to avoid damaging their feelings is stupid. If a kid wants to be an engineer, they know they have to learn how to spell algebra. By the same token, if a kid wants to be a linebacker in the NFL, they should understand that they either have to learn to be students or prepare to go to the NFL through the back door of a small college or JUCO program.

Marginal students that have outstanding physical talent tend to be victims of attrition and fall victim to the system. The university offers them every opportunity to succeed through tutors and other programs. However, if they don't have the motivation to become STUDENT-athletes, they should be prepared to just be athletes.

Stanford, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rutgers all played in bowl games. They all have significantly higher standards than UT. Lowering UT academic standards is not the answer. Raising the athletic standards is the only answer.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
No. I'm not an Ivy league type at all. I'm tired of excuses. The SEC standards are mid-road for the NCAA. UT standards are mid-road for the SEC. U.S. News Rankings of Top Six Football Conferences : Outkick The Coverage

UT standards are actually lower than those of "rivals" except SC. The only thing that is available for whining is the lack of a "bookbinding" major to allow athletes to claim to be students without actually requiring them to be students.

Elementary and high schools have to put athletes in a position to succeed in an academic environment. Passing students to avoid damaging their feelings is stupid. If a kid wants to be an engineer, they know they have to learn how to spell algebra. By the same token, if a kid wants to be a linebacker in the NFL, they should understand that they either have to learn to be students or prepare to go to the NFL through the back door of a small college or JUCO program.

Marginal students that have outstanding physical talent tend to be victims of attrition and fall victim to the system. The university offers them every opportunity to succeed through tutors and other programs. However, if they don't have the motivation to become STUDENT-athletes, they should be prepared to just be athletes.

Stanford, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Duke, and Rutgers all played in bowl games. They all have significantly higher standards than UT. Lowering UT academic standards is not the answer. Raising the athletic standards is the only answer.
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I like your argument....good post. The SEC is such a cut throat competitive league, programs will do "anything" to gain an edge. Including lowering academic admission standards. I'm actually a high school teacher myself, so I totally support academic accountability and high graduation rates. I just want us to be able to sign top caliber atheletes. If they're admitted, don't go to class, and don't make the grades......then hit the road. There is no excuse to not succeed in the classroom with all the support these students receive....period.
 
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They should be the same as every other SEC school... Why should they be different? Someone answer that question...
 
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865dude said:
Am I negavol if I care more about the value of my degree than the success of the athletics program?
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The value of your degree is tied to admissions standards/restrictions placed upon scholarship athletes?

Vanderbilt reduced its admissions requirements for student-athletes. Show me how and where this has damaged their academic reputation one iota.

Tennessee has made it more difficult for scholarship athletes to gain admission and to progress once admitted. Show me how and where these raised standards for student-athlete acceptance and matriculation have improved the academic reputation of our Alma Mater.

You cannot pretend you are Tufts on the Tennessee Monday through Friday and expect elite-level athletic performances on Saturday.
 
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Cartervol said:
They should be the same as every other SEC school... Why should they be different? Someone answer that question...
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Because clearly we've got some graduates who believe the value of their degree is directly tied to whether or not a borderline football player gains acceptance to Tennessee.

:no:
 
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Jax_Vol said:
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I got $10 dollars Chancellor Smails picks his nose.
 
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dougvolfan said:
If I am that person mentioned: Graduate in Chemical Engineering GPA 3.89
as far as I am concerned I have spoken those that want to chatter on against me go ahead.........yawn
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Everybody knows engineers can't spell. Our motto is "Bad Spellers Untie."
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
Because clearly we've got some graduates who believe the value of their degree is directly tied to whether or not a borderline football player gains acceptance to Tennessee.

:no:
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Oh well... Can't have it both ways. They'll figure that out after a few more craptastic classes... Someone told me this wasn't that big a issue. Then i hear it pop up again every now and then.. There must be something too it..
 
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This stuff needs to be put to rest. Quit listening to the talking heads, did we not admit philips who was a player UF denied for academic purposes. Stop buying into this crap, we are in the middle on requirements.

I know when I was in school I had Henry and Bryson in a class. Bryson was a smart guy but still copied notes which everyone did, but Henry probably could not spell his own name. He sure could run.
 
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Was there some type of academic help program they got rid of? This is just hear say.. I don't know enough about that situation to comment on it..

One thing is for sure.. Either these kids care about winning first and the rest falls in line, or we're just getting flat out beat for the best kids..
 
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Vol logic said:
This stuff needs to be put to rest. Quit listening to the talking heads, did we not admit philips who was a player UF denied for academic purposes. Stop buying into this crap, we are in the middle on requirements.

I know when I was in school I had Henry and Bryson in a class. Bryson was a smart guy but still copied notes which everyone did, but Henry probably could not spell his own name. He sure could run.
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Like Georgia Tech, we can take a limited number of "borderline" student-athletes. But that number remains far less than the number our peer institutions in this conference accept.

I went to a Poli Sci class with Chris Mims and Steve Rivers. Mims spent his time drawing pictures of himself sacking quarterbacks. Rivers? Well...the class was a good nap time for him.

Did the presence of either one on campus damage or enhance Tennessee's academic reputation? No.

Did their presence damage the value of my degree? No.
That value can only be determined by what you do with the degree once you leave The Hill.

Vanderbilt has figured this out over the last few years. Accepting athletes on reduced requirements compared to your student body as a whole does not impact your academic reputation in any way, shape, or form. Putting in place positive academic advisory services for student-athletes doesn't harm their standing either.

They were 9-3 this year in part because of quality coaching. They are also at that level because they are no longer pretending they can win with athletes who can pass Magnolia League admissions requirements.

We aren't where they used to be during the time they turned down admission to Ron Mercer. But we are very similar to Georgia Tech in our admissions practices for student-athletes. That can work for Tech in the ACC. It will only produce inconsistent performances at best for us in the SEC.

We can either get on our high horse and lament the state of the SEC while our football program gets run over year after year, or we can go back to doing things in a realistic way as we did in the 1980s and 1990s. The former doesn't do one thing to improve our academic reputation, but the latter will give our coaches a fighting chance to produce a competitive program in the best Tennessee tradition.
 
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1truevol said:
You might find the "Ivy league" a little more to your liking. This is the SEC and the home of big time football. High academic standards and great atheletes don't typically go hand in hand. UT football and it's successes are the face of this university. You may choose to disagree, but it's the truth. I do believe in good academics and high graduation rates, but at the end of the day our "athletics" admissions should be in line with our SEC rivals.
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I'm pretty sure I've never been offered or denied a job based on how well our athletics programs are performing.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
I'm pretty sure I've never been offered or denied a job based on how well our athletics programs are performing.
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No...I would think not. I never suggested as much. The argument is competing with other SEC powerhouses in recruiting. What does that have to do with you being offered or denied a job? I'm sure your potential employer could give a s..t about our team's successes, but as a "fan" I would think you'd want your team to be able to recruit and sign the same caliber atheletes as your rivals. If the admission standards are not similar across the board, it's not going to happen.
 
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volroadwarrior said:
Winning championships=increased revenues=more money for academics=higher professor salaries and better facilties= better academics.

This is a formula even the most devoted egghead should understand. It is sad that they don't.
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Athletic money is peanuts compared to academic research money.
 
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