First They Came for the Confederate Statues, Then they came for the...

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85SugarVol said:
Am I misremembering here? Were there not a bunch that went up in the 50’s & 60’s?
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Georgia changed its flag in the 50s presumably in response to the federal court civil rights decisions. However, it was easy to accomplish by riding staunch Southern provincialism.
 
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Interesting polling.

Axios puts their own spin on it. Read past their narrative to what was actually polled - interesting results.

Poll: Majority of Americans support preserving Confederate history​


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EasternVol said:
There were two major events happening in the early 60's which could have motivated monument building, the civil rights movement and the centennial of the war. There may well have been some erected to intimidate and there may well have been some erected to honor ancestors. We'd have to see case by case. It would be telling if the plaque were to say 'donated by the Erwin chapter of the Knights of the White Camelia' or somesuch.
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How many Union Statues from the Civil War have been erected in comparison to Confederate statues?
 
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EasternVol said:
It's very possible. But it's good to confirm. Maybe newspaper archives would help shed light.
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You just need to have a small inkling of common sense to know a Nathan Bedford Forrest statue outside of Tennessee was 100% for intimidation, especially when it devotes as much space to the KKK than Civil War....

I don't need a newspaper article to give me common sense.

You can make an intellectual argument that a NBF statue in West TN could be for historic purposes. That same statue in GA or the Carolinas where he never stepped foot....
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How many Union Statues from the Civil War have been erected in comparison to Confederate statues?
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According to these folks, about 2,100 Union vs slightly fewer Confederate.
www.aier.org

What the Data Say About Civil War Monuments

"The course in public memorialization of anti-slavery figures and events is at long last moving in a positive direction. It can and should be sustained, provided that the mob, now haphazardly targeting almost any form of public statuary, does not make those same monuments into additional...
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BigOrangeMojo said:
You just need to have a small inkling of common sense to know a Nathan Bedford Forrest statue outside of Tennessee was 100% for intimidation, especially when it devotes as much space to the KKK than Civil War....

I don't need a newspaper article to give me common sense.

You can make an intellectual argument that a NBF statue in West TN could be for historic purposes. That same statue in GA or the Carolinas where he never stepped foot....
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You might. He was admired well beyond Tennessee for his rise through the ranks and military prowess. He was very well known in Virginia when I was a kid, and I knew a guy from tobacco row North Carolina who was named for him.
edit - about that NBF statue in Rome, GA, yes confirmed:
Last week, a statue of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was taken down by city commissioners in Rome, Georgia. The monument, erected in 1909 by the local chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, had stood in Myrtle Grove Cemetery since 1952, where it had been relocated from a busy intersection to ease traffic congestion. Forrest, widely considered the most skillful cavalry officer in the Confederate army, was credited with saving the city from a Federal cavalry raid commanded by Colonel Abel D. Streight in 1863.
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History, Heritage, and Hate: The Fate of Confederate Monuments in my Ancestral Home - Emerging Civil War

Last week, a statue of Confederate General Nathan Bedford Forrest was taken down by city commissioners in Rome, Georgia. The monument, erected in 1909 by the local chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy, had stood in Myrtle Grove Cemetery since 1952, where it had been relocated from...
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EasternVol said:
You might. He was admired well beyond Tennessee for his rise through the ranks and military prowess. He was very well known in Virginia when I was a kid, and I knew a guy from tobacco row North Carolina who was named for him.
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He was well known for Fort Pillow Massacre and the KKK.....

Naming him after military wins would be the equivalent of naming your kid Jeremy, Butch, or Derek...
 
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EasternVol said:
According to these folks, about 2,100 Union vs slightly fewer Confederate.
www.aier.org

What the Data Say About Civil War Monuments

"The course in public memorialization of anti-slavery figures and events is at long last moving in a positive direction. It can and should be sustained, provided that the mob, now haphazardly targeting almost any form of public statuary, does not make those same monuments into additional...
www.aier.org www.aier.org
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You don’t say…..

The wave of mass vandalism quickly spreads to whatever statue happens to be next in line–targets have already included such figures as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Christopher Columbus, Theodore Roosevelt, Miguel de Cervantes, and Winston Churchill. With no small irony, these new targets include figures that several leading historians and journalistic outlets took pains to differentiate and insulate from the Confederate statue controversies only a few years ago.

 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Founder of the KKK by the colored entrance to a courthouse that was placed there decades after the Civil War, for example...
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It's really not hard. It's like the states that changed their flags to have "stars and bars" during the civil rights movement. What they did was clear. And despicable. And about time they've all changed that crap. It wasn't about history.
 
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