First They Came for the Confederate Statues, Then they came for the...

[85SugarVol]

There are obvious statues where the purpose was to intimidate AA. Nathan Bedford Forest has no connection to the State of GA but has statues there pointing out how he was the first wizard of the KKK.

Obviously…

Many were indeed erected as warnings - 100 years after the War.

Point was it was never gonna stop with those dastardly Confederate stone statues. It was always going to metastasize and spread.

And it has.

 

[Gandalf]

Many were indeed erected as warnings - 100 years after the War.

Point was it was never gonna stop with those dastardly Confederate stone statues. It was always going to metastasize and spread.

And it has.

I agree with you. The dems have spread racial hatred and division for a long time and are going into overdrive since Obama.

 

[hog88]

On what grounds though?

Have they ever needed grounds?

But my guess is racial intimidation.

 

[EasternVol]

If any Dems get back in charge in that area, it will be transplants from Northern VA. I was surprised it was changed in the first place.

I should have specified power in Richmond. I don't think the names would have been changed initially without impetus from the state.

 

[GroverCleveland]

There are obvious statues where the purpose was to intimidate AA. Nathan Bedford Forest has no connection to the State of GA but has statues there pointing out how he was the first wizard of the KKK.

Where are these statues?

 

[85SugarVol]

Where are these statues?

There were a flurry of statues that went up in the 50’s - with one purpose, and one purpose only.

 

[EasternVol]

There were a flurry of statues that went up in the 50’s - with one purpose, and one purpose only.

For example?

 

[85SugarVol]

For example?

You’re arguing there weren’t statues of Confederate leaders erected in the 50’s & 60’s that were meant to intimidate black folks?

Not all, but some?

I’ve never been in favor of taking them down - because it was never gonna step there, as we’ve seen.

 

[EasternVol]

You’re arguing there weren’t statues of Confederate leaders erected in the 50’s & 60’s that were meant to intimidate black folks?

Not all, but some?

I’ve never been in favor of taking them down - because it was never gonna step there, as we’ve seen.

You like to read what's not there. No, I'm not arguing that. I don't know of any that were erected in the 1950's much less with the aim to intimidate. So, what are some examples?

 

[85SugarVol]

You like to read what's not there. No, I'm not arguing that. I don't know of any that were erected in the 1950's much less with the aim to intimidate. So, what are some examples?

Then I surrender. You win. I’m not gonna go looking for that.

And FTR - no, I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth or assign you a position. That was an honest clarifying question.

 

[EasternVol]

Then I surrender. You win. I’m not gonna go looking for that.

And FTR - no, I wasn’t trying to put words in your mouth or assign you a position. That was an honest clarifying question.

Fair enough. If you run across any that were put up to intimidate it would be good to know about them. Those which erection dates I'm aware of were put up in the late 1800's.

 

[85SugarVol]

Fair enough. If you run across any that were put up to intimidate it would be good to know about them. Those which erection dates I'm aware of were put up in the late 1800's.

I doubt any of them are inscribed with an outward statement.

I believe the biggest batch were erected in the 1910’s, with another large batch in the 50’s & 60’s, on courthouse grounds, at the onset of the civil rights movement

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I doubt any of them are inscribed with an outward statement.

I believe the biggest batch were erected in the 1910’s, with another large batch in the 50’s & 60’s, on courthouse grounds, at the onset of the civil rights movement

Some of them were. The Nathan Bedford Forest one in Covington used to have a bio, which included a KKK reference...

NBF was the general at Ft Pillow and Randolph so at least there is a local connection...

 

[85SugarVol]

Some of them were. The Nathan Bedford Forest one in Covington used to have a bio, which included a KKK reference...

When did it go up?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

When did it go up?

Early 1900s

 

[85SugarVol]

Early 1900s

Am I misremembering here? Were there not a bunch that went up in the 50’s & 60’s?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Am I misremembering here? Were there not a bunch that went up in the 50’s & 60’s?

A lot did. But 1900-1920 was biggest moment. Obviously, most were for intimidation reasons.

I'm largely fine if there is a historical connection to an area but really the local govt should stay out of it (i.e., not at a courthouse). NBF in Rome GA or NC or VA has no connection to those areas.

Around same time, the Highway was named Jefferson Davis Highway. J. Davis had no connection to Tipton County or State of TN.

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[85SugarVol]

A lot did. But 1900-1920 was biggest moment. Obviously, most were for intimidation reasons.

I'm largely fine if there is a historical connection to an area but really the local govt should stay out of it (i.e., not at a courthouse). NBF in Rome GA or NC or VA has no connection to those areas.

Around same time, the Highway was named Jefferson Davis Highway. J. Davis had no connection to Tipton County or State of TN.

History

Our HistoryThe quiet dignity and scenic beauty of our county and country life has captivated residents and travelers for many decades. ...

www.covingtontn.com

Ok quick Google search. Assuming SPLC (yak) got the dates right here…



I was wrong about “the 50’s”… it was the 60’s

 

[EasternVol]

A lot did. But 1900-1920 was biggest moment. Obviously, most were for intimidation reasons.

I'm largely fine if there is a historical connection to an area but really the local govt should stay out of it (i.e., not at a courthouse). NBF in Rome GA or NC or VA has no connection to those areas.

Around same time, the Highway was named Jefferson Davis Highway. J. Davis had no connection to Tipton County or State of TN.

History

Our HistoryThe quiet dignity and scenic beauty of our county and country life has captivated residents and travelers for many decades. ...

www.covingtontn.com

It's not at all obvious or even likely that most were for intimidation. It was a way to honor those who fought for their homeland and had either passed away or were getting very old. A lot of Union monuments went up at the same time.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

It's not at all obvious or even likely that most were for intimidation. It was a way to honor those who fought for their homeland and had either passed away or were getting very old. A lot of Union monuments went up at the same time.

No it wasn't. Putting up statues of the first Grand Wizard of the KKK on the courthouse lawn in a state he never stepped foot in wasn't "honoring those who fought"...

 

[EasternVol]

Ok quick Google search. Assuming SPLC (yak) got the dates right here…

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I was wrong about “the 50’s”… it was the 60’s

There were two major events happening in the early 60's which could have motivated monument building, the civil rights movement and the centennial of the war. There may well have been some erected to intimidate and there may well have been some erected to honor ancestors. We'd have to see case by case. It would be telling if the plaque were to say 'donated by the Erwin chapter of the Knights of the White Camelia' or somesuch.

 

[EasternVol]

No it wasn't. Putting up statues of the first Grand Wizard of the KKK on the courthouse lawn in a state he never stepped foot in wasn't "honoring those who fought"...

Is that 'most'?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Is that 'most'?

It's not most. My belief is those without a local connection was largely done for intimidation purposes....

 

[EasternVol]

It's not most. My belief is those without a local connection was largely done for intimidation purposes....

It's very possible. But it's good to confirm. Maybe newspaper archives would help shed light.

 

[GroverCleveland]

There were a flurry of statues that went up in the 50’s - with one purpose, and one purpose only.

Which does not answer my question.

Most all of the statues I know of were erected in the early 20th century up to the 1930s by UDC chapters and the driving force was a lot of Confederate veterans were passing away.

There are any number of memorials in small towns where the Confederate statues are actually of WW1 French soldiers complete with Adrian helmets. This is an interesting story in and of itself.