Ratvol
ETSU, University of Tennessee
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In "reality", even by the numbers used by the recruiting sites the Vol's current class is well within the margin of error.Also, saying we’re too 10 nationally sounds good but in reality that’s still like 6-7th in the SEC.
Also, saying we’re too 10 nationally sounds good but in reality that’s still like 6-7th in the SEC.
Supporting your point. People "buy the label" all the time. You can get the same item made on the same line in the same factory... one with a name brand and another with the store brand. Same product but one will be subjectively "rated" better than the other... just because of the name.The difference is marginal outside the top 3 even then it’s still not the end all be all this is a championship level class no matter what the “rankings” say.
Right now they stay within the box because the margin for error is so minimal. Establishing the right culture was priority #1 when they got here. Maintaining that culture while navigating reduced scholarship numbers is tricky. That's why they're very picky. A high 3*-low4* kid that stays 5 years benefits your program more than a 5* that disrupts the locker room and hits the portal for a bigger bag after one season. It's a calculated risk, but program stability is vital in building this thing. I definitely get what you're saying about numbers at certain positions though.I think this staff has a very concrete, defined player they want to get. It fits inside a box. Sometimes you have to look outside the box.
Botch was the anti-Huep. He offered everyone, based on analytics and perceived rankings. To me, his evals were off. Jermy trusted his evals too much, which were usually off.
Huep and company do a great job with evals. Tthe criticism Ive heard is that their board isnt big enough. We arent GA, Bama, or even Flarduh or Clemsuck, yet.
I do think thereve been more tossups this yeae than in the past. I also think our overall averages are up.
There needs to be a mesh point, a happy balance between taking guys. You do need to have depth, and we still dont have that. You cannot rely on the portal for all that, and when you lose what we're losing on OL/DL there is a cause for concern.
But you nor I have any control over it. So? Trust these guys to close strong.
Also, saying we’re too 10 nationally sounds good but in reality that’s still like 6-7th in the SEC.
I personally never expect Tennessee to recruit at the Alabama or Georgia level. I do not think I will ever see that in my lifetime. I think there is a ceiling to how well Tennessee can recruit, unless Nashville truly becomes Atlanta.
What you're saying makes a ton of cents. But sooner or later you gotta build depth, and good depth.Right now they stay within the box because the margin for error is so minimal. Establishing the right culture was priority #1 when they got here. Maintaining that culture while navigating reduced scholarship numbers is tricky. That's why they're very picky. A high 3*-low4* kid that stays 5 years benefits your program more than a 5* that disrupts the locker room and hits the portal for a bigger bag after one season. It's a calculated risk, but program stability is vital in building this thing. I definitely get what you're saying about numbers at certain positions though.
Some of y’all are exhausting and purposefully miserable.
That's ridiculous. Tennessee has been a recruiting juggernaut in the past and can be again.
Until recently, Heupel has been recruiting under an NCAA cloud, with opposing coaches telling our mutual recruits that we were going to receive bowl bans and over 30 scholarship losses ... and Heupel is still putting a top ten class together.I’m never sure the point of posts like this. Even if this is true, it’s still the best, most consistent recruiting we’ve had in at least a decade. And it is probably about as good as Tennessee can do right now, given our recent history.
I personally never expect Tennessee to recruit at the Alabama or Georgia level. I do not think I will ever see that in my lifetime. I think there is a ceiling to how well Tennessee can recruit, unless Nashville truly becomes Atlanta.
With that said, I think you can still win a national title at Tennessee by simply getting in the top 10 consistently. If you’ve got a great coach and a great QB to combine with a super-talented (albeit not historically elite) roster, you can win.
I think we have those pieces coming into place and I’m excited to watch.
What you're saying makes a ton of cents. But sooner or later you gotta build depth, and good depth.
Beat the dog **** out of Florida and Bama again and that happens.
This goes hand in hand imo.I think this staff has a very concrete, defined player they want to get. It fits inside a box. Sometimes you have to look outside the box.
Botch was the anti-Huep. He offered everyone, based on analytics and perceived rankings. To me, his evals were off. Jermy trusted his evals too much, which were usually off.
Huep and company do a great job with evals. Tthe criticism Ive heard is that their board isnt big enough. We arent GA, Bama, or even Flarduh or Clemsuck, yet.
I do think thereve been more tossups this yeae than in the past. I also think our overall averages are up.
There needs to be a mesh point, a happy balance between taking guys. You do need to have depth, and we still dont have that. You cannot rely on the portal for all that, and when you lose what we're losing on OL/DL there is a cause for concern.
But you nor I have any control over it. So? Trust these guys to close strong.
This is an excellent way to look at it. Thanks man!In "reality", even by the numbers used by the recruiting sites the Vol's current class is well within the margin of error.
247 shows UGA at #1 with a 93.62 average recruit score. UT is 10th with a 91.25 average score. That's just a tad over 2% difference. They don't have to overrate or underrate too many players to nullify that difference.
I'm not one who swallows these subjective rankings like you and others. Still, the best way to use them is to look at the average score or average stars on Rivals. If you rank the teams on that basis using 247's numbers then UT is 8th and .57 behind USC ranked 4th. Predictably, UGA, Bama, and OSU are 1-3 with average scores over 93. The legitimate question there is how much of a bump their commits get simply for being targeted by the current top 3 programs.
On3 is very similar with UT at #7 .34 points behind UF at #4.
IMHO, a lot of people are sleeping on Carson Gentle. He's athletic. As a wrestler, he has above average flexibility. He is tenacious.
UT is recruiting well enough RIGHT NOW to compete with anyone going forward. They need to string some classes together... but they're "close enough" with regard to recruiting site scoring. Only two of UT's commits, Gentle and Perry are not rated 4* by one of the 4 sources. So is that a matter of those giving 4* being wrong or those who didn't give them not carefully evaluating?
The sky is not falling. Calm down.
We're building quality depth everywhere currently, with the exception of OT and DT. I know that is concerning, considering the SEC is about the trenches. But.... if you have to use the portal for those positions until recruiting picks up, then it is what it is. You're not having to hit the portal for half of your roster.What you're saying makes a ton of cents. But sooner or later you gotta build depth, and good depth.
Beat the dog **** out of Florida and Bama again and that happens.
we are. Even if we end up at #10 again, that will considerably raise our average.What you're saying makes a ton of cents. But sooner or later you gotta build depth, and good depth.
Beat the dog **** out of Florida and Bama again and that happens.