For grins: DC candidates

#51
#51
GAVol said:
They can teach all they want. This group of DBs isn’t good enough physically to play a lot of man coverage.
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We have some help on the way. I would like to see what we do if we get better athletes.
 
#53
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JoAllan said:
Didn’t say that, however you were the one who said Mason wasn’t cut out for B12 offenses.
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Because defensive recruiting is an after thought for Big 12 teams. DC’s are literally thrown table scraps to build around.

Hell, even if it didn’t change, the star average at Tennessee would trump the talent level in terms of players he is getting in Stillwater
 
#56
#56
Seems like more of a player issue rather than coordinator to me. Up to them to execute and they didn't.
 
#57
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GAVol said:
They can teach all they want. This group of DBs isn’t good enough physically to play a lot of man coverage.
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Turnage has the measurables and was signed by Bama so they must have thought he did. Burrell has the measurables if he can play better. We've had CBs comparable to what we have now that played more man than we do. They don't all have to be 6'2". Better technique and discipline will help. Not to mention we have 2 freshmen coming in who can.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Because defensive recruiting is an after thought for Big 12 teams. DC’s are literally thrown table scraps to build around.

Hell, even if it didn’t change, the star average at Tennessee would trump the talent level in terms of players he is getting in Stillwater
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Yes but they do on the O side as well for the most part.

Sure the SEC has more D talent…….but they have more O talent.

Just like the B-12 has less D talent they also don’t have the same quality of O talent either.

OK-ST gave up 44 to Central Michigan…….you think there’s a talent gap between CM’s O and OKst’s D?

Come on it simply hasn’t worked this year at all for him.
 
#59
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JoAllan said:
Yes but they do on the O side as well for the most part.

Sure the SEC has more D talent…….but they have more O talent.

Just like the B-12 has less D talent they also don’t have the same quality of O talent either.

OK-ST gave up 44 to Central Michigan…….you think there’s a talent gap between CM’s O and OKst’s D?

Come on it simply hasn’t worked this year at all for him.
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Because he was not a good fit for that league. By your own standard, Venables has been a colossal failure going to OU.

Not like those guys became dumb defensive coordinator/play callers overnight. Mason would be a solid upgrade over Banks.
 
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Skippy95 said:
If I’m making the hire I go Gary Patterson and it’s not even close. Clean house except Gardner and make him the AHC and RC. I think he’d be the true opposite side of the coin to Heupel.
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Patterson got the shaft from Tennessee (oh what could have been). Why on earth would he come now just to be the DC?

Wouldn’t be terrible I just don’t see it.
 
#61
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JoAllan said:
Patterson got the shaft from Tennessee (oh what could have been). Why on earth would he come now just to be the DC?

Wouldn’t be terrible I just don’t see it.
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Yeah. Wild to think about... However, I wonder if him staying at TCU was the best decision after looking back..... He went on a magical run that rivaled Petersen at Boise State.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Because he was not a good fit for that league. By your own standard, Venables has been a colossal failure going to OU.

Not like those guys became dumb defensive coordinator/play callers overnight. Mason would be a solid upgrade over Banks.
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Do we want a solid upgrade or do we want the best possible upgrade?

And no doubt he would be an upgrade. However you really don’t want to be “having” to change DC’s every couple years…….really, really need to get this right.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Yeah. Wild to think about... However, I wonder if him staying at TCU was the best decision after looking back..... He went on a magical run that rivaled Petersen at Boise State.
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very true for him

Not so much for us

My thing was they said he didn’t have the experience………and they hired someone with really less experience.
 
#65
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JoAllan said:
Do we want a solid upgrade or do we want the best possible upgrade?

And no doubt he would be an upgrade. However you really don’t want to be “having” to change DC’s every couple years…….really, really need to get this right.
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1- Best Possible Upgrade
2- Realistic Solid Upgrade

Any upgrade that is realistic and can be secured is better than the status quo.
 
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tnvolfan16 said:
so i guess out of my ignorance, someone tell me, when you have no DB's that can cover, no DL that can get pressure, and a shortage of bodies at LB, what is a new coordinator going to do. are you assuming slaughter is just a bottle of potential talent who needs a new coach to make him an all american? i assume you think a new coordinator replaces rodney garner and all is fixed on the line? and i guess a new coach will just sh!t a new MLB. personally, i dont think it matters who is coordinator, everyone thought going in to the season that there was a shortage of talent on defense, and not people think that we have all americans all over the place and it just isnt being coached. i dont know if banks i great or not, i just dont think he has had a fair shot with SEC level talent, since most of our SEC talent on defense is at other schools now
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Missouri held that mighty SC offense to 10 points. Kentucky held them to 24. Look up the recruiting classes for those two schools and tell me how their defensive talent compares to ours. A D-III defense could have done a better job against SC last night than we did.

By the way, Georgia State held SC to 35. As in, 28 fewer points than we gave up to them.
 
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#67
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JoAllan said:
Patterson got the shaft from Tennessee (oh what could have been). Why on earth would he come now just to be the DC?

Wouldn’t be terrible I just don’t see it.
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Personally, because of how it ended at TCU, I don’t think he gets another P5 HC gig for at least a year or two. I don’t think he stays with Sark at Texas, so maybe he’d be interested especially if he likes the alignment at Tennessee.
 
#68
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Skippy95 said:
Personally, because of how it ended at TCU, I don’t think he gets another P5 HC gig for at least a year or two. I don’t think he stays with Sark at Texas, so maybe he’d be interested especially if he likes the alignment at Tennessee.
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Oh I think he's too old to take another job and rebuild. But being a DC could be good spot.
 
#69
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JMSqb11 said:
1- Best Possible Upgrade
2- Realistic Solid Upgrade

Any upgrade that is realistic and can be secured is better than the status quo.
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True

However best possible……has the word “possible” in it.

Not best impossible. I’m sure they know who could be had and who couldn’t be.
 
#71
#71
djwes said:
Honestly, I'd approach Will Muschamp for the DC role and throw a truckload of $ at him. May not be best HBC but he's a proven winner as a DC. Currently co-defensive coordinator and safeties coach at UGA.
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I love this idea. Co-coordinator is a pat on the back title; moving to sole coordinator is a huge step back in the right direction for him, and we have the money to do it if we have the intelligence.
 
#74
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NotoriousRPP said:
I don’t think enough people realize how massive of a hire this would be. Don’t expect it to happen but you have to make him say no.
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I think we need someone with DC experience. We have made hires once or twice where they didn't have experience in the role they were being hired for...Those didn't go so well.
 
#75
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JMSqb11 said:
Because he was not a good fit for that league. By your own standard, Venables has been a colossal failure going to OU.

Not like those guys became dumb defensive coordinator/play callers overnight. Mason would be a solid upgrade over Banks.
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Mason would be as much better than Banks as wine is better than sewage.
 
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