For the complaining fans...

[UT IE 95]

So who do you suggest the coach be?

When the job is open we can begin the speculation.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

When the job is open we can begin the speculation.

Well you wanted him gone 10 games ago, I figured if you wanted him gone you'd have an idea of who you'd like to replace him mid season.

And I hate to burst your bubble but there's a good chance it won't be open for awhile. It's ok though, keep making an ass out of yourself by starting threads after losses claiming he be fired.



Ya know Roy Williams got his unc teams ass handed to him by fsu not long ago, very embarrassing. They lost by over 30 and ckearly quit, roy even said the team quit, so by your standards maybe he will be available soon to hire.

 

[RikidyBones]

Well you wanted him gone 10 games ago, I figured if you wanted him gone you'd have an idea of who you'd like to replace him mid season.

And I hate to burst your bubble but there's a good chance it won't be open for awhile. It's ok though, keep making an ass out of yourself by starting threads after losses claiming he be fired.



Ya know Roy Williams got his unc teams ass handed to him by fsu not long ago, very embarrassing. They lost by over 30 and ckearly quit, roy even said the team quit, so by your standards maybe he will be available soon to hire.

He would never hire him due to a team quitting in his career.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

He would never hire him due to a team quitting in his career.

Which is why I asked, who the hell would you hire?

Every coach has had a team quit at some some point, that's just how it is.

Hell the lady vols quit on arguably the best coach ever in pat summit at times this year.

 

[calban]

When the job is open we can begin the speculation.

That's going to be in a very long, long time from now.

 

[UT IE 95]

Well you wanted him gone 10 games ago, I figured if you wanted him gone you'd have an idea of who you'd like to replace him mid season.

And I hate to burst your bubble but there's a good chance it won't be open for awhile. It's ok though, keep making an ass out of yourself by starting threads after losses claiming he be fired.



Ya know Roy Williams got his unc teams ass handed to him by fsu not long ago, very embarrassing. They lost by over 30 and ckearly quit, roy even said the team quit, so by your standards maybe he will be available soon to hire.

Seriously? First you compare Martin to Coach K and now Roy Williams? What the...

 

[knowthevols]

And other than 1, I've watched every game this year. And I know what I've saw. Martin is just as involved during the game as Game 1.

Wrong. Martin has been more active of late. I'll admit we are playing better than at the first of the year at times. but, 95 has made some valid points.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Seriously? First you compare Martin to Coach K and now Roy Williams? What the...

That's not the point, you're missing it. All coaches have a first season ya know, and coach k in his first season had bad losses. Roy Williams in his first season had bad losses, ALL coaches just about, suffered bad losses at some point before they became great coaches.

The point is, how do you know who Martin can become if your not gonna give him the chance? If duke had canned coach k in his first year after the loss would he still be a legendary coach somewhere else? We will never know. Why? Because you have to be atleast a little patient and give a coach a chance to prove himself.

Very simply put 15 games into a season is no where near long enough to decide whether this guy is or isn't going to work out. You said yourself that the recent success is hard to argue with, yet if it was up to you CCM wouldn't have had the chance to have gotten to this point.

The point isn't coach k or coach Williams, it very simply is this. How can you expect to determine how successful a coach is going to be in 15 games?

The reference to K and Williams is that both of them did have 1st year at new schools, you realize that right? And if they were critiqued on 15 games like you are saying there's a good chance they'd have been gone.

Point is you've got to give a coach more than 15 ganes, how can even try to say otherwise?

 

[knowthevols]

He has to coach to the needs of his team. Duke players don't need as much in game coaching as we do. I think he has realized that his team is short on vocal leaders. He has definitively been more vocal lately.

+1

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Wrong. Martin has been more active of late. I'll admit we are playing better than at the first of the year at times. but, 95 has made some valid points.

Like suggesting after 15 ganes we fire Martin. Is that one of the valid points you were referring to?

 

[knowthevols]

And maybe he's one of those few gifted coaches that knows how to start his team peaking at the right time of the year by increasing his intensity on the sideline.
If some say he's more intense, I'll accept it.
Maybe they're just showing him on camera more now. What ever is happening, it's working.

+1

 

[knowthevols]

The exact one. If the product and results didn't change Martin should have been fired after the season. As a UT fan and alumnus, the Memphis game was an embarrassment cherry on top of the other bad loses and ridiculous coaching decisions.

College basketball isn't a "let's give him time" sport. It's a results now sport. That is tough for the Martin blind-backers to understand, but it is what it is. I'm glad the team is starting to play better and finding an identity. The days of letting a coach flounder for years is over at UT, we should expect more.

Ditto

 

[knowthevols]

Why do Martin slurpers always try to use Pearl as a basis of comparison? It's weird.

When you stump them they always bring up the last coach.

 

[knowthevols]

Like suggesting after 15 ganes we fire Martin. Is that one of the valid points you were referring to?

Not at all. As you know Bleed I backed Martin along with you when most on the board wanted Trae benched. Martin has been more into the games lately and I am encouraged with what I see. Just because a fan doesn't fall on his knees in worship at the feet of a new coach doesn't mean we don't want him to succeed. I was mad as hell that we hired the coach before Martin until he showed he could win. Martin is our coach and when kudos are in order I'll give them and when criticism is in order I will give that also.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Not at all. As you know Bleed I backed Martin along with you when most on the board wanted Trae benched. Martin has been more into the games lately and I am encouraged with what I see. Just because a fan doesn't fall on his knees in worship at the feet of a new coach doesn't mean we don't want him to succeed. I was mad as hell that we hired the coach before Martin until he showed he could win. Martin is our coach and when kudos are in order I'll give them and when criticism is in order I will give that also.

Criticism is one thing, saying he should be fired, and now claiming his seat is warm is completely another.

Criticism should be passed out as much as praise IMO. If your gonna give credit when its due then you have to give criticism as well, but be rational come on calling for him to be fired and saying he is currently on the warm seat. That's irrational and you know it.

Rational fans all knew this was gonna take time and there's gonna be bumps along the way. You have to be patient, if you want to criticize ok, but dear god don't call for his firing, and still at this point with what he done say his seat is warm.

 

[knowthevols]

Criticism is one thing, saying he should be fired, and now claiming his seat is warm is completely another.

Criticism should be passed out as much as praise IMO. If your gonna give credit when its due then you have to give criticism as well, but be rational come on calling for him to be fired and saying he is currently on the warm seat. That's irrational and you know it.

Rational fans all knew this was gonna take time and there's gonna be bumps along the way. You have to be patient, if you want to criticize ok, but dear god don't call for his firing, and still at this point with what he done say his seat is warm.

This thread was started after the second Memphis loss and compounded by the Peay loss. I personally think we may have turned the corner and am planing on going to the tournament unless the committee says otherwise.

 

[RhodesVol]

When you stump them they always bring up the last coach.

I don't know that this is necessarily true. It's almost impossible not to compare CCM to Bruce because the wounds from losing the latter are still fresh, and seeing the former on the sidelines is still a new experience. Likewise, we've had a ton of success in bball over the last six, and when we see adversity, with a new coach, of course the comparison will come up. The same thing happens when we see success.

 

[calban]

This thread was started after the second Memphis loss and compounded by the Peay loss. I personally think we may have turned the corner and am planing on going to the tournament unless the committee says otherwise.

+1

 

[bleedingTNorange]

This thread was started after the second Memphis loss and compounded by the Peay loss. I personally think we may have turned the corner and am planing on going to the tournament unless the committee says otherwise.

That in no way justifies calling for CCM to be fired, and sure as hell doesn't justify him still bein on the "warm" seat. The losses were bad, absolutely, but that doesn't justify firing the guy. Give him a chance to establish and prove himself and to get the guys to play how he wants them to. I understand being frustrated after a loss, BUT HE'S STILL SAYING MARTIN IS ON THE WARM SEAT. Seriously?

I absolutely hope we make it in, in starting to fear all these irrational fans though that may go on a rant if we end up in the NIT.

I.E wont put up with the embarrassment of the NIT, that is for sure.

 

[UT IE 95]

That in no way justifies calling for CCM to be fired, and sure as hell doesn't justify him still bein on the "warm" seat. The losses were bad, absolutely, but that doesn't justify firing the guy. Give him a chance to establish and prove himself and to get the guys to play how he wants them to. I understand being frustrated after a loss, BUT HE'S STILL SAYING MARTIN IS ON THE WARM SEAT. Seriously?

I absolutely hope we make it in, in starting to fear all these irrational fans though that may go on a rant if we end up in the NIT.

I.E wont put up with the embarrassment of the NIT, that is for sure.

I just can't comprehend Tennessee Basketball fans willing to fall back into the second teir of the conference. We're a perennial tournament team, yet some fans are saying "it takes time" and "the roster is full of duds".

Martin's seat should be warm from day one. He came in with coaching potential, but has never sniffed basketball coaching success where the expectations are for him.

If you want to give him a honeymoon season go for it. The guy got a million dollar a year raise to coach UT. If that includes an excuse for losing to AP then that's a pretty sweet gig.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I just can't comprehend Tennessee Basketball fans willing to fall back into the second teir of the conference. We're a perennial tournament team, yet some fans are saying "it takes time" and "the roster is full of duds".

Martin's seat should be warm from day one. He came in with coaching potential, but has never sniffed basketball coaching success where the expectations are for him.

If you want to give him a honeymoon season go for it. The guy got a million dollar a year raise to coach UT. If that includes an excuse for losing to AP then that's a pretty sweet gig.

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[bleedingTNorange]

I just can't comprehend Tennessee Basketball fans willing to fall back into the second teir of the conference. We're a perennial tournament team, yet some fans are saying "it takes time" and "the roster is full of duds".

Martin's seat should be warm from day one. He came in with coaching potential, but has never sniffed basketball coaching success where the expectations are for him.

If you want to give him a honeymoon season go for it. The guy got a million dollar a year raise to coach UT. If that includes an excuse for losing to AP then that's a pretty sweet gig.

I don't want Tennessee to fall back either but you have to atleast see what ccm can do in a season before making that judgment call. Say we fire ccm and hire someone new, bye bye both recruits, bye bye stokes, bye bye probably half our team.

NOW THAT would be setting us back. Like the saying goes sometimes you have to step back before you can walk forward. We may not have the year this year we are accustomed to, but look for positive signs(flx2,Uconn, possible tournament) that show going forward we will be back to where we were and still moving.

IMO I see that in ccm and this team, even though it's a down year, I see the signs that show promise for the future, and this season that's all I was looking for, anything else was/is a bonus.

 

[2ironVol]

When you stump them they always bring up the last coach.

Son, you haven't stumped anyone. :birgits_giggle:

Your reaction to Martin was purely knee-jerk and that's spinning it positively

 

[zjcvols]

]I just can't comprehend Tennessee Basketball fans willing to fall back into the second teir of the conference.[/B] We're a perennial tournament team, yet some fans are saying "it takes time" and "the roster is full of duds".

Martin's seat should be warm from day one. He came in with coaching potential, but has never sniffed basketball coaching success where the expectations are for him.

If you want to give him a honeymoon season go for it. The guy got a million dollar a year raise to coach UT. If that includes an excuse for losing to AP then that's a pretty sweet gig.

Who said we are willing? I'm understanding of the situation. I was very unhappy after a couple games. I also know that it's 15 freakin games and that a coach needs more time to set up the program the way HE wants it, especially since the previous regime was such a different style coach.

 

[UT IE 95]

I have a "win now" approach to college basketball. You don't build a program, you get players and a coach. Program building is for teams like Gonzaga, VCU, and George Mason. They have to build a team and compete when they get a couple of players and some upper classmen.

We were at the top of he conference. I'd rather stay there than make excuses about rebuilding.