For the complaining fans...

#77
#77
obviously whatever coaching style he prefers is working, whether its sitting more some games and standing more the next. his team has dramatically improved over the year, and is clearly starting to play some of their best basketball.

to me that is a sign of a good coaching job, so whatever he has been doing all year obviously is working and i hope its how he coaches next year too. i dont think he has a set style, because as we've seen yesterday he was pretty fiery and other games not so much, but they were still wins.

as i said, whatever it is he feels is his style or preference, at this point i would definitely have to agree on, because he is doing a hell of a job.
 
#78
#78
Martin is an allsome coach. He's done nothing different all year. The sucky players are just playing better. It's a shame a great coach like Martin would even need to give instructions during games. Hell, some are even comparing him to Coach K. You guys are brilliant.
 
#79
#79
UT IE 95 said:
Martin is an allsome coach. He's done nothing different all year. The sucky players are just playing better. It's a shame a great coach like Martin would even need to give instructions during games. Hell, some are even comparing him to Coach K. You guys are brilliant.
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You really don't think he has coached hen off the court, in practice and in tr film room and that that's partially reason for improvement?

You feel that the fiery coaching from the sideline is the reason for improvement?

If so why didn't these players play better for pearl? He did a lot of standing up on the sideline and coaching during games, much more than ccm.
 
#80
#80
bleedingTNorange said:
You really don't think he has coached hen off the court, in practice and in tr film room and that that's partially reason for improvement?

You feel that the fiery coaching from the sideline is the reason for improvement?

If so why didn't these players play better for pearl? He did a lot of standing up on the sideline and coaching during games, much more than ccm.
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Sure, lots of things go into a team getting better. I'm not at practice nor in the film room. What I see is the product on the floor at game time. I've pointed out that I would like to see Martin more involved in the game - especially when our guys are not playing well. There were many occasions that I was disappointed to see crappy play on the court and Martin sitting on the bench - especially in those horrible loses. I've noticed he has been more active on the sidelines getting players where he wants them at critical points in the game. If you disagree that's fine, but you really shouldn't make some absurd comparison between Martin and Coach K.
 
#82
#82
UT IE 95 said:
Sure, lots of things go into a team getting better. I'm not at practice nor in the film room. What I see is the product on the floor at game time. I've pointed out that I would like to see Martin more involved in the game - especially when our guys are not playing well. There were many occasions that I was disappointed to see crappy play on the court and Martin sitting on the bench - especially in those horrible loses. I've noticed he has been more active on the sidelines getting players where he wants them at critical points in the game. If you disagree that's fine, but you really shouldn't make some absurd comparison between Martin and Coach K.
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I can agree with this, BUT maybe it is his style to see bad play make a note and coach on it in practice.

I noticed him doing a lot of coaching early in the year as well, but I also noticed him sitting too. I haven't really seen much of an increase of decrease in standing time through the season.

IMO you get better in practice and the full room. Sure it helps in certain times to have him yelling and telling you what to do, like he did with maymon vs young on a play I recall, but at the same time but at the same time I feel you benefit as much learning in practice too.

Basically, I'm not going to sit here and attribute their 3 game streak to him standing and yelling more from the sideline I just don't think that's realistic. Has it helped, maybe, but I think the biggest improvement is the coaching taking place in practice and film room and not on the sidelines. I feel players have bought in, are listening, and are now starting to get his system and it's showing, then again I could be wrong. Their success could be because of him doing more sideline coaching.

I guess we can make that call if we lose again, if he was sitting a lot well know that's why they lost and if e was standing all well know it really didn't have that much of an impact.
 
#83
#83
bleedingTNorange said:
I can agree with this, BUT maybe it is his style to see bad play make a note and coach on it in practice.

I noticed him doing a lot of coaching early in the year as well, but I also noticed him sitting too. I haven't really seen much of an increase of decrease in standing time through the season.

IMO you get better in practice and the full room. Sure it helps in certain times to have him yelling and telling you what to do, like he did with maymon vs young on a play I recall, but at the same time but at the same time I feel you benefit as much learning in practice too.

Basically, I'm not going to sit here and attribute their 3 game streak to him standing and yelling more from the sideline I just don't think that's realistic. Has it helped, maybe, but I think the biggest improvement is the coaching taking place in practice and film room and not on the sidelines. I feel players have bought in, are listening, and are now starting to get his system and it's showing, then again I could be wrong. Their success could be because of him doing more sideline coaching.

I guess we can make that call if we lose again, if he was sitting a lot well know that's why they lost and if e was standing all well know it really didn't have that much of an impact.
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I am jumping in this conversation in the middle and it usually gets me in trouble but I am going to do it anyway.

It seems to me his in game coaching is simply removing kids from the game when certain mistakes are made especially on offense. Case in point I saw a number of times certain kids attempted to speed up the game after breaking the press on Saturday and they were immediately removed from the game. I think he clearly defines his expectations in the practice setting and if they aren't followed playing time is removed. Not much verbal coaching done but effective non the less.
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#84
#84
UT IE 95 said:
Martin is an allsome coach. He's done nothing different all year. The sucky players are just playing better. It's a shame a great coach like Martin would even need to give instructions during games. Hell, some are even comparing him to Coach K. You guys are brilliant.
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No, you're brilliant for thinking that Martin's ass-to-seat ratio is what's improving this team. That awful chair held him back... kept him from instructing his team, holding his vocal cords hostage. Thank God he actually found a way to break that evil bond! Now he stands and yells 5% more than before! Praise the basketball gods! Hallelujah!
 
#85
#85
BruinVol said:
I am jumping in this conversation in the middle and it usually gets me in trouble but I am going to do it anyway.

It seems to me his in game coaching is simply removing kids from the game when certain mistakes are made especially on offense. Case in point I saw a number of times certain kids attempted to speed up the game after breaking the press on Saturday and they were immediately removed from the game. I think he clearly defines his expectations in the practice setting and if they aren't followed playing time is removed. Not much verbal coaching done but effective non the less.
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Who cares, really. Only thin skinned kids get low when being pulled. We need kids that respond anyway, and have the mental toughness needed to succeed.

Coaching kids is similar to teaching your own children, quite often. There are only so many times you can discuss expectations, and allow mistakes to go unpunished. A "sit down on the bench" is nothing different than a solid, "go to your room for the night and think about what happened". I don't know about you, but the embarrassment outweighs some extra ladders, if you have the right player.

He has been coaching harder lately. I don't know who is saying what in this argument, but he has picked up the intensity. I don't know why that has to be a negative. Maybe it's because he knows what he has now and is more comfortable with which players need which motivation? Maybe it's crunch time? Maybe we were losing and things change when you lose?
 
#86
#86
BruinVol said:
I am jumping in this conversation in the middle and it usually gets me in trouble but I am going to do it anyway.

It seems to me his in game coaching is simply removing kids from the game when certain mistakes are made especially on offense. Case in point I saw a number of times certain kids attempted to speed up the game after breaking the press on Saturday and they were immediately removed from the game. I think he clearly defines his expectations in the practice setting and if they aren't followed playing time is removed. Not much verbal coaching done but effective non the less.
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+1,000,000

I've seen McRae yanked multiple times along with tatum for doing things on the offensive end he didn't like, ie playing too fast.

As you said I think he has a gameplay, you follow it your fine you don't your getting pulled and chewed. When they get to practice they will then address and build on mistakes that were made.

Obviously there will be some in game coaching, every coach does atleast a little at some point. I just feel ccm does more of his coaching in practice and prefers to see then how players carry it out and go from there.
 
#87
#87
The bottom line here is this:

Some feel ccm increased intensity in the sideline is why this team has won 3 games.

Others feel that he isn't all the much more intense and that this has nothing to do with their winning streak and is more about what goes on in practice and llayers buying in.



Let's watch the game wed, if we win and Martin does very little yelling from the sideline we will know that the sideline coaching isn't he reason for the 3 game streak.
 
#88
#88
bleedingTNorange said:
The bottom line here is this:

Some feel ccm increased intensity in the sideline is why this team has won 3 games.

Others feel that he isn't all the much more intense and that this has nothing to do with their winning streak and is more about what goes on in practice and llayers buying in.



Let's watch the game wed, if we win and Martin does very little yelling from the sideline we will know that the sideline coaching isn't he reason for the 3 game streak.
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That's just another argument to try to see who can brag about being right and wrong. It's not an either/or situation, and the way they are playing isn't based on one factor.

He is coaching harder and with more intensity. At the same time, the team is playing well. There are many reasons why they have played well. His intensity being one of them.
 
#89
#89
Spartacavolus said:
That's just another argument to try to see who can brag about being right and wrong. It's not an either/or situation, and the way they are playing isn't based on one factor.

He is coaching harder and with more intensity. At the same time, the team is playing well. There are many reasons why they have played well. His intensity being one of them.
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Fair enough I can live with that, I couldn't live with his increased intensity being the main reason for improved play. That's all my point was.
 
#90
#90
l3rewski said:
No, you're brilliant for thinking that Martin's ass-to-seat ratio is what's improving this team. That awful chair held him back... kept him from instructing his team, holding his vocal cords hostage. Thank God he actually found a way to break that evil bond! Now he stands and yells 5% more than before! Praise the basketball gods! Hallelujah!
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I have no doubt Martin increasing his intensity and in-game coaching is making a difference. It's not the only factor, but it is noticeable.
 
#92
#92
OrangeBalls said:
In a long line of absurd posts, this one ranks right up there. Congrats.
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I'm not trying to get in or take sides in an argument, but how does saying the obvious about CM equal absurdity? A lot of things are going on that have the team playing well. For you to say CM's intensity on the sideline, especially the last 2 games, isn't one of them (along with a dozen other reasons), seems a little stubborn.

The comment about his intensity is far from absurd.
 
#93
#93
MphsBlues said:
IE, how do you see the next 4 playing out for the Vols?
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The next four should be four W's, but as I've said for years, winning on the road in conference is hard.

Home Games
Arkansas, much like UT is a different team playing home vs. road. They have yet to win a road game at all.

Ole Miss, a team that is hard to figure out. As you know, living in Memphis you hear the talk one week about Ole Miss being good and the next week they are horrible. They've won one road conference game at Auburn.

Road Games
UAT, depends on the suspensions. I've been to many games in that dump they have in Tuscalooser. I thought for sure a ceiling tile would fall last time I was there. We usually struggle in that dump, so a win would be nice. They have a great home record, but massive suspensions could give us the edge.

South Carolina, they are just plain bad. A loss at their place would trump the loss at UGA as the worst conference loss of the season. Should be an easy win in Darrin Horn's potential last season in the Cakalak State.
 
#94
#94
UT IE 95 said:
The next four should be four W's, but as I've said for years, winning on the road in conference is hard.

Home Games
Arkansas, much like UT is a different team playing home vs. road. They have yet to win a road game at all.

Ole Miss, a team that is hard to figure out. As you know, living in Memphis you hear the talk one week about Ole Miss being good and the next week they are horrible. They've won one road conference game at Auburn.

Road Games
UAT, depends on the suspensions. I've been to many games in that dump they have in Tuscalooser. I thought for sure a ceiling tile would fall last time I was there. We usually struggle in that dump, so a win would be nice. They have a great home record, but massive suspensions could give us the edge.

South Carolina, they are just plain bad. A loss at their place would trump the loss at UGA as the worst conference loss of the season. Should be an easy win in Darrin Horn's potential last season in the Cakalak State.
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That's about how I see it. Would love to see us storm into Tuscaloser and dominate. Given the suspensions, it's possible. If we make it through those four, things get VERY interesting.
 
#95
#95
Spartacavolus said:
I'm not trying to get in or take sides in an argument, but how does saying the obvious about CM equal absurdity? A lot of things are going on that have the team playing well. For you to say CM's intensity on the sideline, especially the last 2 games, isn't one of them (along with a dozen other reasons), seems a little stubborn.

The comment about his intensity is far from absurd.
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Exactly what I wass thinking..
 
#96
#96
Spartacavolus said:
I'm not trying to get in or take sides in an argument, but how does saying the obvious about CM equal absurdity? A lot of things are going on that have the team playing well. For you to say CM's intensity on the sideline, especially the last 2 games, isn't one of them (along with a dozen other reasons), seems a little stubborn.

The comment about his intensity is far from absurd.
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You think it has honestly changed that much? I don't. Maybe it has to do with the players starting to get his system more than halfway into the season. Martin hasn't even been here a year. His roster has had to learn a completely different system and learn to actually play half court defense or their ass sits. Them getting used to him and him getting used to them has more to do with the latest results than any supposed intensity shown on the sideline. Maybe he's getting a little more fired up because he sees his team finally starting to get it. By this time next year, we should have a really good take on how this team has bought in. An off season of conditioning, Martin knowing the players and the players knowing him. There will still be bumps along the way. Some people just can't accept that it takes awhile to implement a system and they want instant results.
 
#97
#97
OrangeBalls said:
You think it has honestly changed that much? I don't. Maybe it has to do with the players starting to get his system more than halfway into the season. Martin hasn't even been here a year. His roster has had to learn a completely different system and learn to actually play half court defense or their ass sits. Them getting used to him and him getting used to them has more to do with the latest results than any supposed intensity shown on the sideline. Maybe he's getting a little more fired up because he sees his team finally starting to get it. By this time next year, we should have a really good take on how this team has bought in. An off season of conditioning, Martin knowing the players and the players knowing him. There will still be bumps along the way. Some people just can't accept that it takes awhile to implement a system and they want instant results.
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If he is getting more fired up as you imply, how is it absurd that his intensity has picked up? The reason/s don't really matter.

Just for your own reference, go back and watch him on the sideline saturday.
 
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#98
#98
OrangeBalls said:
You think it has honestly changed that much? I don't. Maybe it has to do with the players starting to get his system more than halfway into the season. Martin hasn't even been here a year. His roster has had to learn a completely different system and learn to actually play half court defense or their ass sits. Them getting used to him and him getting used to them has more to do with the latest results than any supposed intensity shown on the sideline. Maybe he's getting a little more fired up because he sees his team finally starting to get it. By this time next year, we should have a really good take on how this team has bought in. An off season of conditioning, Martin knowing the players and the players knowing him. There will still be bumps along the way. Some people just can't accept that it takes awhile to implement a system and they want instant results.
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And maybe he's one of those few gifted coaches that knows how to start his team peaking at the right time of the year by increasing his intensity on the sideline.
If some say he's more intense, I'll accept it.
Maybe they're just showing him on camera more now. What ever is happening, it's working.
 
#99
#99
Spartacavolus said:
If he is getting more fired up as you imply, how is it absurd that his intensity has picked up? The reason/s don't really matter.
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Because I think it's absurd to say Martin's supposed increased intensity on the sideline is the reason the team is playing better. It has more to do with them getting his system and learning to play together than Martin standing on the sideline being a cheerleader. I like a coach to get into it, but if he has done his job in practice, it doesn't matter how he acts on the sideline. As long as he adjusts during the game and has the team prepared is what matters.
 
#100
#100
calban said:
And maybe he's one of those few gifted coaches that knows how to start his team peaking at the right time of the year by increasing his intensity on the sideline.
If some say he's more intense, I'll accept it.
Maybe they're just showing him on camera more now. What ever is happening, it's working.
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It's really nothing to argue about at any rate. They are fighting hard and playing well.

I do watch games differently than most. I seldom watch the on ball action, but can see what's going on with a shot or penetration. I'm looking off the ball and at the HC as often as I can. I look at guys fighting for position, boxing out, effort, running through picks, awareness on both ends when the ball is being set up, who has who, who switched, where is a good matchup, who is moving, who is staring, etc. I noticed more end of the bench coaching the last 2 games.
 
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