For those that hate 3 star recruits....

#26
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1985Vols said:
Sort of like Nukeese, Da' Rick, and Bryce Brown. They all were "sure things" alright.
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Should we start listing all the 3 star players that end up a total waste of a scholarship.......I think not. Not enough room on this page
 
#28
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Three questions were put to John Chavis:
Q1: John, how many 3* players turn out to be really good.
John: About 50% of them.
Q2: How many 4* players?
John: About the same, 50%.
Q3: How many 5*?
John: Umm, about 1 in 2.
 
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#29
#29
this kid is a high 3* and will probably get bumped to a 4* and all we will hear is he was a 3*.if he was a 4* people will be bi%^&ing because he wasnt a 5*.
 
#30
#30
Most 5 star players are considered a bust when they end up playing like a 3 star guy.
 
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RoaminVol said:
Now Mods please don't move this to the Recruiting Forum I work hard on this and I want all of VN to see it....


I want to say that the following are Heisman winners and contenders: Collen Klien, Steve Slaton, Mike Hart, Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels, Toby Gerhart, Kellen Moore, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Mark Ingram, and Johnny Manziel were all 3 stars or lower. Also to point out that there have only been 3 5 star players (McFadden, T. Richardson, and Tebow) to make it as finalist and only one of them was named winner(Tebow) since 2006.

I wanted to say this is because we had a commitment from a 3 star recruit today. Of Course some of the fans weren't ecstatic about the pick up. I just wanted to shed a little light on the 3 star worries. Three star recruits have been in more Heisman voting than Four stars and Five Stars.

This goes to show that its not about the level of talent that you pull in its about how the recruit fits your system. You also need the coach and staff to coach them to another level to make them play like 5 star and 4 star recruits. For every 4 star and 5 star commits that lives up to its potential, you can name a bust that didn't.

Lets Stay bUTch Strong guys. We are going to bring this program from the dead Go F******* Vols!!!!
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4* and/or 5* rectuits


Darius Myers
Eric Young
Daniel Brooks
Brandon Jefferies
Aaron Kirkland
Heath Benedict
David Holbert
Demonte Bolden
Todd Cox
Andrea Mathis
Raymond Henderson
Ramone Johnson
Chris Walker
Darris Sawtelle
Kenny O'Neal
E.J. Abrams-Ward
Robert Nelson
Anthwan Stewart
Montrell Jones
Lynn McGruder
Dave Clark
O.J. Owens
Jason respert
Matt Milton
C.J. Fayton
Ovince St. P.
Jabari Davis
Reuben Mayes
Walter Fisher
Donald Langley
Chris Donald
Dehaun Barnes
Daren Myers
J. Scholfield
J. Askew
 
#36
#36
NFL Draft 2012

1 Andrew Luck 4* 4th OVR QB, 68th in Rivals100
2 Robert Griffin III 4* 4th OVR DTQB
3 Trent Richardson 5* 2nd OVR RB, 6th in Rivals100
4 Matt Kalil 5* 3rd OVR OT, 11th in Rivals100
5 Justin Blackmon 3* 91st OVR WR
6 Morris Claiborne 3* 38th OVR ATH
7 Mark Barron 4* 5th OVR ATH, 55th in Rivals100
8 Ryan Tannehill 3* 23rd OVR DTQB
9 Luke Kuechly 3* 44th OVR OLB
10 Stephon Gilmore 4* 6th OVR ATH, 84th in Rivals100
11 Dontari Poe 2*
12 Fletcher Cox 4* 5th OVR WDE, 95th in Rivals100
13 Michael Floyd 5* WR, 6th OVR WR, 27th in Rivals100
14 Michael Brockers 4* 10th OVR SDE, 201st in Rivals250
15 Bruch Irvin 4* JUCO
16 Quinton Coples 4* 6th OVR SDE, 105th in Rivals259
17 Dre Kirkpatrick 5* 1st OVR CB, 11th in Rival100
18 Melvin Ingram 4* 21st OVR OLB
19 Shea McClellin 2*
20 Kendal Wright 3* 64th OVR WR
21 Chandler Jones 2*
22 Brandon Weeden (baseball)
23 Riley Reiff 3* 25th OVR SDE
24 David DeCastro 3* 11th OVR OG
25 Donta Hightower 4* 15th OVR ILB
26 Whitney Mercilus 3* 28th OVR WDE
27 Kevin Zeitler 3* 39th OVR OG
28 Nick Perry 4* 2nd OVR WDE, 56th in Rivals100
29 Harrison Smith 4* 25th OVR ATH
30 AJ Jenkins 3* 53rd OVR WR
31 Doug Martin 2*
32 David Wilson 4* 4th OVR RB, 40th in Rivals100
33 Brian Quick unranked
34 Coby Fleener 3* 40th OVR TE
35 Courtney Upshaw 4* 12th OVR OLB, 131st in Rivals250
36 Derek Wolfe 2*
37 Mitchell Schwartz 3* 27th OVR OT
38 Andre Branch 2*
39 Janoris Jenkins 4* 6th OVR CB, 51st in Rivals100
40 Amini Silatolu unranked
41 Cordy Glenn 4* 16th OVR OT 137th in Rivals250
42 Jonathon Martin 3* 44th OVR OT
43 Stephen Hill 3* 99th OVR WR
44 Jeff Allen 2*
45 Alshon Jeffery 4* 13th OVR WR, 99th in Rivals100
46 Mychal Kendricks 3* 45th OVR OLB
47 Bobby Wagner 2*
48 Tavon Wilson 3* 60th OVR CB
49 Kendall Reyes 2*
50 Isaiah Pead 3* 26th OVR RB

About 25 5*'s per year
About 300 4*'s per year
About 750 3*'s per year
About 2000 2*'s and unranked per year

Out of the top 50 in last years draft:

5*'s: 4
4*'s: 16
3*'s: 17
2*'s/unranked: 13

4/25=16% or .16
16/300=5% or .05
17/750=2% or .02
13/2000=0.6% or .006
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#37
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I rarely post, but think this is a comment we need to heed as we move in the recruiting season. Most everyone on here seems to think stars relate to whether a player will be any good or not. In reality, star ratings relate to how quickly a player should contribute. A 4 or 5 star should be able to play significant meaningful minutes as a freshman or sophmore,. A 3 star usually would not give significant minutes until they are upperclassmen. It is always nice to have guys that can play immediately, but if you have a consistent roster of upper-class and frosh/sophomores you can let the 3 star guys mature.. This was always a topic of discussion when CPF. Rarely started a freshmen regardless of stars. If the VOLS can ever get some consistency in their roster, things will look quite a bit different.
 
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#38
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KingtUT said:
No I'm not. It's another thread trying to convince us that 3 star are as good as 5 stars and it's just not the case 90% of the time
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Not the point of the thread my friend... Its about never counting a recruit out just because he doesn't have a certain amount of stars. I never said that 3*s were just as good as 5*s. Its about coaching mainly and Dooley obviously wasn't cut out for the job and I feel that Butch Jones can coach up those 3*s.
 
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RoaminVol said:
Now Mods please don't move this to the Recruiting Forum I work hard on this and I want all of VN to see it....


I want to say that the following are Heisman winners and contenders: Collen Klien, Steve Slaton, Mike Hart, Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels, Toby Gerhart, Kellen Moore, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Mark Ingram, and Johnny Manziel were all 3 stars or lower. Also to point out that there have only been 3 5 star players (McFadden, T. Richardson, and Tebow) to make it as finalist and only one of them was named winner(Tebow) since 2006.

I wanted to say this is because we had a commitment from a 3 star recruit today. Of Course some of the fans weren't ecstatic about the pick up. I just wanted to shed a little light on the 3 star worries. Three star recruits have been in more Heisman voting than Four stars and Five Stars.

This goes to show that its not about the level of talent that you pull in its about how the recruit fits your system. You also need the coach and staff to coach them to another level to make them play like 5 star and 4 star recruits. For every 4 star and 5 star commits that lives up to its potential, you can name a bust that didn't.

Lets Stay bUTch Strong guys. We are going to bring this program from the dead Go F******* Vols!!!!
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Marcel Dareus too by many recruiting services.
 
#41
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KingtUT said:
Should we start listing all the 3 star players that end up a total waste of a scholarship.......I think not. Not enough room on this page
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Since there are a lot more 3 star players than 4 and 5 stars, obviously there will be more busts as far as numbers go. However, about half the 3 star players become very productive college players while the same ( about half) of the 4 and 5 star players become productive as well. So, while you may be able to name several 3 star busts, I will be able to show you just as many busts that were 4 and 5 stars as percentages go..
 
#42
#42
UTVOLKeith said:
nobody hates 3 star recruits

4 and 5 star are just more of a sure thing

that's all bye
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Sure thing at what? Bryce Brown, Davante Bourque, Richard Samuel - 5 star RB, has been moved to LB

Zach Mettenberger - 4 star QB, booted by UGA, now with LSU

Logan Gray - 4 star QB, couldn't make it as a starter, moved to WR, transfering to a school back in his home state of Missouri
Albert means, Enrique Davis 5star RB, has just been an utter disappointment. On and on and on. Guess these guys were all guarantee's!

Wrong!!

The difference between a 5* and a 3* is someones opinion. Since 2000 or so of all the projected 4 and 5* D-lineman according to Rivals.com only a few out of the estimated 100 during that span have panned out and made it to the pros. Either they can play or not and that's the coaches talent search. Miami and coach Shannon said they relied way to much on Rival's rankings rather than doing there on talent analysis and he said that is what ultimately cost him his job!

Give me a 2* with heart and desire and passion to win for the school and I'll take him over a 5* love myself any day of the week!

great get today and welcome Lemond to Vol Country!

:hi:

tennesseeduke
 
#43
#43
Ingram was a 4star. In the SEC you need to majority of your class to be 4 and 5 stars if you want to compete. If this was the WAC, ACC, Big12, Big East, 3stars would be acceptable.
 
#44
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It's pretty simple. There are WAY too many fans across the nation that get caught up in the star gazing game. They fail to realize that recruiting services make big bucks off of this drama. I can assure you no one evluates players closer than coaches. Their jobs and the success of their programs depend on accurate assessments and player development. The reality is there simply is not a lot of difference between a 3,4, or 5 star athelete. Star gazers don't want to hear that. I promise you..."3 star" players are still STUDS. Personally I put more trust in a coaches evaluation of a player over anything a "recruiting service" has to say. One last point.....a lot of these "star" rankings depend on exposure as well.
 
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#47
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I don't give a damn about what any 3* recruit has done in the Heisman race, all I care about is what any recruit has done to help the football team at TN win ballgames.

Right now the fact is TN is not getting enough of the better players to compete in the SEC and that has to change.
 
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All I know is on average it appears that the programs that have the higher rated recruiting classes year end and year out usually are also the highest rated football teams at the end of each season. Seems to be a connection between the two and we need to find what that connection is and start winning that battle.
 
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