For those that hate 3 star recruits....

#76
#76
OrebankVol said:
Wonder what recruiting did before they had stars beside their names??? You know coaches could care less about stars right?? That just gives sportwriters jobs that a select few only really know anything about anyway, stars don't mean crap look at what goes into the NFL every year and tell me about them stars!!!!
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You would be suprised if you knew how many coaches cared about stars. I went to several camps last summer and quiet a few of the camps coaches had list for the kids that came from recruiting sites that had star ratings. The kids with the higher star rating got more attention even if the kids that didn't have stars were out performing the higher star rated guys.
 
#78
#78
RoaminVol said:
Now Mods please don't move this to the Recruiting Forum I work hard on this and I want all of VN to see it....


I want to say that the following are Heisman winners and contenders: Collen Klien, Steve Slaton, Mike Hart, Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels, Toby Gerhart, Kellen Moore, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Mark Ingram, and Johnny Manziel were all 3 stars or lower. Also to point out that there have only been 3 5 star players (McFadden, T. Richardson, and Tebow) to make it as finalist and only one of them was named winner(Tebow) since 2006.

I wanted to say this is because we had a commitment from a 3 star recruit today. Of Course some of the fans weren't ecstatic about the pick up. I just wanted to shed a little light on the 3 star worries. Three star recruits have been in more Heisman voting than Four stars and Five Stars.

This goes to show that its not about the level of talent that you pull in its about how the recruit fits your system. You also need the coach and staff to coach them to another level to make them play like 5 star and 4 star recruits. For every 4 star and 5 star commits that lives up to its potential, you can name a bust that didn't.

Lets Stay bUTch Strong guys. We are going to bring this program from the dead Go F******* Vols!!!!
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I'm sure it's already been mentioned, but I'm not gonna dig through the thread. Mark Ingram was a 4*. At least on rivals.
 
#81
#81
RoaminVol said:
Now Mods please don't move this to the Recruiting Forum I work hard on this and I want all of VN to see it....


I want to say that the following are Heisman winners and contenders: Collen Klien, Steve Slaton, Mike Hart, Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels, Toby Gerhart, Kellen Moore, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Mark Ingram, and Johnny Manziel were all 3 stars or lower. Also to point out that there have only been 3 5 star players (McFadden, T. Richardson, and Tebow) to make it as finalist and only one of them was named winner(Tebow) since 2006.

I wanted to say this is because we had a commitment from a 3 star recruit today. Of Course some of the fans weren't ecstatic about the pick up. I just wanted to shed a little light on the 3 star worries. Three star recruits have been in more Heisman voting than Four stars and Five Stars.

This goes to show that its not about the level of talent that you pull in its about how the recruit fits your system. You also need the coach and staff to coach them to another level to make them play like 5 star and 4 star recruits. For every 4 star and 5 star commits that lives up to its potential, you can name a bust that didn't.

Lets Stay bUTch Strong guys. We are going to bring this program from the dead Go F******* Vols!!!!
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So. Teams that continue to lead in this conference alone have most of their rosters chock full of 4-5* recruits. That's how they stay in the top echelon. We all know that some blue chips are busts and some 3*'s are better than their rating, but it's all about the averages.

So, you wasted your time and ours...saying a whole lot of nothing.
 
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#83
#83
King Webbsticles said:
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Good info and thanks for posting it.

Based on the top 50 NFL draft picks only 40% came out of high school with a 4* or 5* star rating.

Based on that same info that means that 60% of the top 50 draft picks were either lowly 3*, 2* or totally unrated players coming out of high school which is fully 20% MORE low ranked kids that made it to the top 50 NFL draft picks.

People on here will argue both sides forever but many 4* and 5* kids become a total bust or have a bad attitude and are lazy and think they know it all as we've seen many times on our own Vols roster.

Many 3* kids are highly motivated, take coaches teaching much better, work alot harder and progress like they should based on their abilities.

We should NEVER ever belittle or bash any kid that wants to come play at Tennessee even if they're a 2* or even unrated by a silly service that gets paid for their personal opinion.

Thousands of kids never even get rated every year but some of them are really good football players.

How many teams WON over laMe kiffScum and the high ranked recruiting classes that USC brings in every year and were teams with a much lower recruiting ranking?

Exactly what I thought folks.

The start systen and ranking recruiting classes was made up for 2 main reasons...

1...To keep football fans more interested during the offseason.

2...To make lots more $$$$.

Also remember that big programs that WIN alot also get more top recruits so it's losts harder for a program like our Vols to get top recruits to even talk to us unless they can be guaranteed to either start or to play lots of snaps as a freshman and that offer can only last for so long as we get better and better players and start winning more games again.

Being realistic isn't somethinmg that's done alot on the norm on VN unfortunately.

I'll trust our coaches to bring in the best players they can get that will fit our needs and the systems our coaches plan to run.

VFL...GBO!!!
 
#84
#84
1985Vols said:
Sort of like Nukeese, Da' Rick, and Bryce Brown. They all were "sure things" alright.
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Stupid conparison...Bryce is in the NFL and Da'rick is on his way...Nu'Keese is most likely in jail somewhere hell who knows and honestly WHO CARES???...How about the ones who did live up to all the hype?
 
#85
#85
King Webbsticles said:
Lol... this **** again. It gets old... quick.





Btw, the commit today wasn't a bad pickup.
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You're right. It does get old.

A guy commits and some people are happy and hopeful about the player. I don't think anyone is as excited as if they had gotten a 5*... but nonetheless want to welcome the new Vol. Others for whatever reason take offence to that happiness and feel compelled to condemn the player and anyone happy about a commitment from a "subpar" recruit. How do they know the recruit is subpar? Well... they're only a 3*....

And THAT requires that someone point out that while higher rankings usually indicate a very good recruit, lower ratings do not necessarily mean a bad recruit.

To say that we wish UT was getting more of the players who are considered high probability successes is one thing. To rattle on and on about it while ridiculing the recruit is another. Too many do the latter.
 
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#86
#86
Titan&Volfan4life said:
Good info and thanks for posting it.

Based on the top 50 NFL draft picks only 40% came out of high school with a 4* or 5* star rating.

Based on that same info that means that 60% of the top 50 draft picks were either lowly 3*, 2* or totally unrated players coming out of high school which is fully 20% MORE low ranked kids that made it to the top 50 NFL draft picks.

People on here will argue both sides forever but many 4* and 5* kids become a total bust or have a bad attitude and are lazy and think they know it all as we've seen many times on our own Vols roster.

Many 3* kids are highly motivated, take coaches teaching much better, work alot harder and progress like they should based on their abilities.

We should NEVER ever belittle or bash any kid that wants to come play at Tennessee even if they're a 2* or even unrated by a silly service that gets paid for their personal opinion.

Thousands of kids never even get rated every year but some of them are really good football players.

How many teams WON over laMe kiffScum and the high ranked recruiting classes that USC brings in every year and were teams with a much lower recruiting ranking?

Exactly what I thought folks.

The start systen and ranking recruiting classes was made up for 2 main reasons...

1...To keep football fans more interested during the offseason.

2...To make lots more $$$$.

Also remember that big programs that WIN alot also get more top recruits so it's losts harder for a program like our Vols to get top recruits to even talk to us unless they can be guaranteed to either start or to play lots of snaps as a freshman and that offer can only last for so long as we get better and better players and start winning more games again.

Being realistic isn't somethinmg that's done alot on the norm on VN unfortunately.

I'll trust our coaches to bring in the best players they can get that will fit our needs and the systems our coaches plan to run.

VFL...GBO!!!
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How big was the original pool of 4* & 5* players versus the total pool of lesser rated players. If we have that we can determine what percent of highly ranked players make up that 40%. Anybody know?
 
#87
#87
Quality coaching gets the most potential out of the players, regardless of "stars".
solid, teachable kids with great coaching = Championship calibur football
-1 = slop
 
#88
#88
MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I always get a good laugh when someone tells the mods what to do. I'm quite certain
they're capable of determining if and when a thread needs to be moved.
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They're not as capable as u might think.

Now, stop brown-nosing the mods, buttkisser.
 
#89
#89
We need some of each. Right now CBJ is recruiting speed over size as he knows this team lacks speed. This kid had a great offer list. A couple of the LBs we let go I didn't like.

In other words, I like 3 star guys, but get worried when the offer list doesn't include a Decent BCS school.
 
#90
#90
The Star rankings have a decent batting average. But I'm of the belief that college coaching staffs are smarter than the guys that run the recruiting sites. If you see a 3 Star with offers from several big name schools, then you can feel pretty confident that his rating is too low.
 
#93
#93
SEC All Freshmen Team 2012 - Offense:

John Theus 5*
BJ Humphreys 5*
Bandon Shell 4*
Vadal Alexander 4*
Ryan Kelly 3*
Amari Cooper 4*
Mike Evans 3*
Johnny Football 3*
Todd Gurley 4*
TJ Yeldon 5*
Trey Williams 5*

There appears to be correlation of number of 4 and 5 stars which make 2/3's of the All Freshman Team. Stars based upon Rivals.
 
#94
#94
UT Hill Man said:
This is meaningless. There are thousands of 2 and 3 star players each year and a handful of 4 and 5 star players. The 2 and 3 star players win out by sheer strength in numbers.
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The goofballs eager to excuse a mediocre recruiting class don't get this.
 
#95
#95
patrick said:
SEC All Freshmen Team 2012 - Offense:

John Theus 5*
BJ Humphreys 5*
Bandon Shell 4*
Vadal Alexander 4*
Ryan Kelly 3*
Amari Cooper 4*
Mike Evans 3*
Johnny Football 3*
Todd Gurley 4*
TJ Yeldon 5*
Trey Williams 5*

There appears to be correlation of number of 4 and 5 stars which make 2/3's of the All Freshman Team. Stars based upon Rivals.
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This is really what the rating means. 5 star can start on day 1, 4 star can start in the season, 3 star has the potential. I would look at the overall all SEC teams and that gives a better read or all American teams and look at the ratings
 
#96
#96
patrick said:
sec all freshmen team 2012 - offense:

John theus 5*
bj humphreys 5*
bandon shell 4*
vadal alexander 4*
ryan kelly 3*
amari cooper 4*
mike evans 3*
johnny football 3*
todd gurley 4*
tj yeldon 5*
trey williams 5*

there appears to be correlation of number of 4 and 5 stars which make 2/3's of the all freshman team. Stars based upon rivals.
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boom.........
 
#97
#97
There is a reason that the teams who get the most 4 and 5 star guys are usually at the top of the mountain. However, there are always flaws in every system...
 
#98
#98
VolFanNC09 said:
This is really what the rating means. 5 star can start on day 1, 4 star can start in the season, 3 star has the potential. I would look at the overall all SEC teams and that gives a better read or all American teams and look at the ratings
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2012 All SEC Team:

25 Total All SEC Winners:

5 5*
11 4*
8 3*
1 other

64% of All SEC Nominations are 4* and 5* recruits.

Pretty strong correlation in my opinion.
 
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#99
#99
RoaminVol said:
Now Mods please don't move this to the Recruiting Forum I work hard on this and I want all of VN to see it....


I want to say that the following are Heisman winners and contenders: Collen Klien, Steve Slaton, Mike Hart, Colt Brennan, Chase Daniels, Toby Gerhart, Kellen Moore, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy, Mark Ingram, and Johnny Manziel were all 3 stars or lower. Also to point out that there have only been 3 5 star players (McFadden, T. Richardson, and Tebow) to make it as finalist and only one of them was named winner(Tebow) since 2006.

I wanted to say this is because we had a commitment from a 3 star recruit today. Of Course some of the fans weren't ecstatic about the pick up. I just wanted to shed a little light on the 3 star worries. Three star recruits have been in more Heisman voting than Four stars and Five Stars.

This goes to show that its not about the level of talent that you pull in its about how the recruit fits your system. You also need the coach and staff to coach them to another level to make them play like 5 star and 4 star recruits. For every 4 star and 5 star commits that lives up to its potential, you can name a bust that didn't.

Lets Stay bUTch Strong guys. We are going to bring this program from the dead Go F******* Vols!!!!
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That's a lot of success out of the millions of 3 stars or lower that are out there.
 
#100
#100
I like to look at the offers almost as much as the stars.. I feel like if LSU and Bama offered a 3 star then theres a reason for it, but if he only has offers from Duke, central mich, etc then there's also a reason for it.
 
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