Foster about to throw us under the bus on ESPN...

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That's all we need Foster running his big mouth on espn. Now if it was something good about UT espn wouldn't be interested in putting it on the air. I always thought it was bull crap when people would say espn hates us buti really do see it now. Take for instance yesterday on game day all they wanted to talk about is what florida needed to do to win the game and how they r so much better. And they kept bringing up what happend with Mo and Foster just about every time they have something on espn about TN it is negative. I also started noticing when we do win a ball game they hardly show our highlights but when we lose they show it all day of us getting beat. I swear if you pay attention you will see what I'm taking about. Espn SUCKS! GO VOLS!
 
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Reminds me of the kid that got busted for shop lifting because he needed a shirt for the Vol Walk. What gives?
 
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I support the players 100% on this. They leave an awful lot, sometimes all on the field for our amusement and for the financial benefit of the university, SEC, NCAA, BCS, ESPN, ETC.

I am glad Foster is speaking out, and I am glad to see players united against hypocritical NCAA rules that benefit everybody involved but the players.
 
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ZoSo0789 said:
if you actually believe that, I seriously cannot help you. No the NCAA cant go after Arian for this, and thats not what he did. He lawyered up properly to ensure they couldnt go after UT... that regime isn't even here anymore anyways. Nobody is going to try and purposely hurt their school. Im sure Butch probably made a comment about his DJing skills during the OW game, which irked Arian the wrong way and made him want to make UT a target for the NCAA.
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Not sure I understand you continual point that UT will be ok because he lawyered up. Regardless of whether NCAA creeps into this, there is nothing good that can come out of this for UT. We are #2 in recruiting right now. Things like this, regardless of inability of NCAA to do anything, are never helpful for a coaching staffs efforts of selling the idea of having the best university in the country. I mean do you really think the coaches and players are ok with it because he lawyered up properly? Not trying to be difficult, I just don't get this argument.
 
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johnboyhunter said:
You are missing a big time perspective on this. Football is an 11 month a year almost full time job for these kids. No matter if you get free food, room, etc.. from being on the football team, you get zero dollars to do normal things other kids on campus do like going out for pizza, taking a girl on a date, putting money in your car, buying some clothes every once in a while. And no possible way for these kids to have another job to get the spend cash while doing football. Then couple that with the fact that a large % of these kids don't come from much money and families may not have a nickel to send their way. That is the problem.

What we are talking about here is giving a little money to pay for some basic incidentals of college life. No money for signing autographs, using their image etc..

My perspective is I went to the Naval Academy. I ran Cross-Country, Indoor and Outdoor track. Fall / Winter / Spring and my entire summer was taken up with military stuff and then running. I got free room and board, free education, and heck I even got a little bit of money (like $200 a month) for incidentals. I know that an Academy is not comparable (except I understand the responsibility of being a D1 athlete who has to train 12 months out of the year, travel, miss classes, miss spring break, and miss out on a lot to play a sport), but what is comparable is that even though I got most everything paid for including all my meals etc.. I really needed that $200 the Navy gave me a month for things that my free education did not cover. And my parents even sent me some money every once in a while. Some of these kids parents don't have the money at all.

Guess they could go no where, just sit in the athletic dorms, wear the same clothes they had the day they came on campus, never go anywhere and enjoy that free education and food and room.


We talking couple hundred bucks a month, not turning them into pro-athletes with signing bonuses etc... And yes some people start their families while still in college. Your message is a bit derogatory in regards to personal accountability etc.. Projecting stereotypes on these athletes that do a lot for the University and keep people like you coming to this website!
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Is that you Jimmy Carter?
 
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Oh poor wittle athlete didn't get paid for "doing his job". How about you got a free education wearing an orange and white jersey that thousands of kids would love to do. You had a nutritionist on staff, an awesome weight room, and you got exposure that got you a job that now pays you millions. You got to run through the T on Saturdays many times in front of 100,000 plus fans who love you.

Every Vol holds a special place in my heart but Arian can be a tad full of himself and over dramatic at times. I'm sure he had a meal card to eat on campus. It's not filet and lobster but I bet it was a hundred times better than the slop that I ate for 9 months in Iraq.

....ok I feel better now.
 
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volfanbill said:
So what if they have families or when the cafeteria is closed or they need to dress up for something but all they've been given for free was some adidas climalite t shirts?
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Um, let"s see here, maybe the same way other students do who have to pay for their education and raise a family at the same time. It's called personal responsibility and not asking or requiring other people pay for life decisions you make. Silly me for having such radical ideas!
 
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TreeGreen said:
I'm not sure Gibbs is what I would call the "nicest" dorms to stay in. They do get a lot, but at the same time they also get the opportunity to ruin their brains due to collisions and risk serious injury in other ways. I'm not sure where I stand on the whole paying players thing, but let's not pretend they aren't offering something in return for those goods and services they receive.
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Its more likely they get an opportunity to develop their brains with a quality education and an opportunity to be a professional in something other than football.
 
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Cam Newton got 180k to go to Auburn...no problem. Johnny Manziel sells thousands of dollars worth of autographed stuff...no problem. We lost a basketball coach over a bbq sandwich and now we're in hot water over a bag of freaking tacos. Maybe we should just stop with the food and start paying straight cash like everyone else.
 
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I think this negative can turn into a positive. The 4* and 5* athletes have to be saying, Arian's getting all the taco's he can eat, agents are paying players that go undrafted, that's where I want to go...:wink2:
 
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How many times did Foster fumble and cost us games?
I remember, as a "Loyal" VOL fan unlike Foster, that he should have been named Fumbleitis while at UT.
He was deathly afraid of getting hit and even dropped the football on one 65 yard run for a TD that cost us that game.
Let me also remind you he didn't get drafted because of his lack of effort and work ethic while at UT and had to walk on for a shot in the NFL.
UT gave him the opportunity and without that exposure he would never have had any chance to play in the NFL. I take great offense to his ridiculous attitude and he will never be a Peyton Manning!!!!
 
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johnboyhunter said:
You are missing a big time perspective on this. Football is an 11 month a year almost full time job for these kids. No matter if you get free food, room, etc.. from being on the football team, you get zero dollars to do normal things other kids on campus do like going out for pizza, taking a girl on a date, putting money in your car, buying some clothes every once in a while. And no possible way for these kids to have another job to get the spend cash while doing football. Then couple that with the fact that a large % of these kids don't come from much money and families may not have a nickel to send their way. That is the problem.

What we are talking about here is giving a little money to pay for some basic incidentals of college life. No money for signing autographs, using their image etc..

My perspective is I went to the Naval Academy. I ran Cross-Country, Indoor and Outdoor track. Fall / Winter / Spring and my entire summer was taken up with military stuff and then running. I got free room and board, free education, and heck I even got a little bit of money (like $200 a month) for incidentals. I know that an Academy is not comparable (except I understand the responsibility of being a D1 athlete who has to train 12 months out of the year, travel, miss classes, miss spring break, and miss out on a lot to play a sport), but what is comparable is that even though I got most everything paid for including all my meals etc.. I really needed that $200 the Navy gave me a month for things that my free education did not cover. And my parents even sent me some money every once in a while. Some of these kids parents don't have the money at all.

Guess they could go no where, just sit in the athletic dorms, wear the same clothes they had the day they came on campus, never go anywhere and enjoy that free education and food and room.


We talking couple hundred bucks a month, not turning them into pro-athletes with signing bonuses etc... And yes some people start their families while still in college. Your message is a bit derogatory in regards to personal accountability etc.. Projecting stereotypes on these athletes that do a lot for the University and keep people like you coming to this website!
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My question previously was how much free time do these athletes have in the summer. Serious question. You had to do military stuff in the summer plus athletics, but our players aren't doing military stuff. What does the typical UT football player do in the summer in addition to training? Do they have to take summer classes? If they have enough time available to get a job, then the argument that they have to take money on the side to pay for random meals or incidentals seems pretty weak (given that everything else is paid for).
 
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NuclearVol said:
My question previously was how much free time do these athletes have in the summer. Serious question. You had to do military stuff in the summer plus athletics, but our players aren't doing military stuff. What does the typical UT football player do in the summer in addition to training? Do they have to take summer classes? If they have enough time available to get a job, then the argument that they have to take money on the side to pay for random meals or incidentals seems pretty weak (given that everything else is paid for).
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If they want to graduate then lot of them do take summer classes. And they may have the potential to get a summer job but if you have ever been to Pahokee Florida you will see that getting a summer job for some of these kids is not like snapping your finger.

And it is not like a random meal either. Not sure what you did in college but really, don't you think kids need to be able to have some life? My point they cant just sit in athletic forms 365 days a year. Heck I even needed money to buy basics like cleaning supplies for my room.

I have heard stories where a lot of these kids from poorer families have a tough time. Here they are putting in 35-40 a week in football, class work, and cant even afford to go out.

Its not some "random" meal. What's wrong with supplementing a scholly with $200 per month? 100 players x $200 x 12 = 240k. Chump change if you ask me for UT football.

How dare one of these kids want to have a normal college life, go on a date, put gas in their car, catch a movie, buy some new clothes for school and just fit in with other kids.
 
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rcvol said:
Not really. If you are caught taking benefits you forfeit your amateur status and should not be allowed to play another down for any college. The NCAA just needs to step up investigations and start hammering everyone caught taking benefits to set an example. Let the message become clear: if you get caught, you're done. This idea of paying players is completely absurd and demonstrates a disturbing sense of entitlement which seems to be getting worse and worse. If they start paying players I'm DONE with college football. Ill just watch the NFL.
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Not absurd. Most people being vocal about this including coaches are not talking about kids making significant money. They are talking about more of an allowance since college football takes us so much of these kids time they have no time to have a job.

Heck I was recruited to run track at the Naval Academy. I not only got my college paid for via track but also got a SMALL PAYCHECK each month while in college. Little different because it was a service academy but I wouldn't have even got in without being recruited for track. You would think why did I need any $ since I had uniforms, free meals, free room. LIFE that's why. Same with these kids. $200-$300 a month is not going to ruin college football.

And lastly this is probably more of am issue no than 20 years ago. The pressure in these programs is unbelievable. Conditioning, film study. The NCAA limits "organized" practice to 20hrs a week. Key is "organized".
 
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SDV said:
Probably a lot of Hispanic players
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I wonder if Chavis was the coach? He looks like he could whip up some tacos. I thought it might be Trooper, but then I remembered Roper was the RB coach and Trooper was Co OC at Okl State (aka bagman and pimp).
 
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trevols81 said:
Way to go Marcus. Show us your true colors. You're a ****ing joke.
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No...I'm. Fiercely loyal to UT. Traitors and millionaires whining about not getting enough handouts during their "4 year struggle" get no sympathy from me. I've worked hard for everything I've ever had. Never felt like I was "entitled" to more than what I could earn with my own 2 hands. Its called personal responsibility.

The leg breaking portion of my comment was a lil extreme...I willingly concede that. Imagine my surprise while watching Sunday Countdown to see one of our own FEATURED as ESPN tries to play it up as if it were watergate. I stand by remarks that the likes of Manning and Berry are not going to look kindly on an ingrate and traitor. Most in this thread seem to agree.
 
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