Foster about to throw us under the bus on ESPN...

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Eric Berry has a place in every thread. Rod wilks does too...this is VN my friend. Its what we do here. Not a true fan IMO



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keckjm said:
I've never seen one logical poster that said Foster couldn't run the ball. You're dang right he was good, one of the best, but he also brought unneeded attention to himself. If he was as poor as he says he was, then if I were him I'd be thanking God everyday for the chance to make something of myself at UT. Fulmer gave him that chance, and UT and this fan base through support paid for him to have that chance. It's just disrespectful to use UT, the place that gave you an opportunity when many big D-1 schools wouldn't, as a means to create awareness toward a problem. He illustrates a true lack of understanding and appreciation towards the place that allowed him to get where he is today. UT was his home and provider for four years, and his thought process for his interview was, "Oh I'm not scared of the NCAA". Well, I'm glad Foster, but in the mean time you bring more negative attention to UT in the same week that we got hammered by Oregon and Couch and Bray get caught taking money.
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I can't disagree that the timing blows.... I hate that this came out when it did. However he did set the whole thing up to where the NCAA cannot come after UT in anyway regarding this mess. That was the primary stipulation he requested before he would say a word. Fortunately (or, unfortunately at times) Arian is one of the few players out there that has the pure intelligence to make a real run against the NCAA.

And I completely agree that players, not confined to Arian, should be more respectful and grateful that their university gave them the CHANCE to become successful. Do student athletes get screwed by receiving no benefits, I'd say yes. But I still think that the opportunities and support they're given should be definitely count as compensation.
 
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volfanbill said:
Because he's trying to fix a broken system. Good for him.
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Yeah scholarship athletes have it very tough. Free room, board, books, supplies, food and the nicest dorms to stay in. That must be so hard. Foster could have went on campus and gotten free food.

No the system is not broken because players do get paid. Boosters, alumni, agents the list goes on and on. Scholarship athletes get red carpet treatment and everything handed to them. Giving them extra money would just allow them to party more.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Yeah scholarship athletes have it very tough. Free room, board, books, supplies, food and the nicest dorms to stay in. That must be so hard. Foster could have went on campus and gotten free food.

No the system is not broken because players do get paid. Boosters, alumni, agents the list goes on and on. Scholarship athletes get red carpet treatment and everything handed to them. Giving them extra money would just allow them to party more.
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I'm not sure Gibbs is what I would call the "nicest" dorms to stay in. They do get a lot, but at the same time they also get the opportunity to ruin their brains due to collisions and risk serious injury in other ways. I'm not sure where I stand on the whole paying players thing, but let's not pretend they aren't offering something in return for those goods and services they receive.
 
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Caller on EA show nailed it. Foster had a 50k education paid for, and chose to live off campus his sr year. no one put a gun to his head.

Foster's mom posted on Vq for years and doZens of posters kissed she and the families tail. never take too much credence into replying to family members. i respected reading her posts, seemed level headed. never met her at any VQ events tho, never cared too be honest.

truth is, im not gonna tell how i truly feel aboit af, cause it doesnt matter. but, hes always showed his true colors. he pretends to be an educated, well to do gentleman. and yet may be?! but are these the behaviors of such?

get over it arian.
 
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VeryBest said:
I am for student-athletes getting paid, but I do think it opens up a can of worms when deciding a formula on if athletes from revenue producing sports get paid more or if BCS level programs get paid more than other programs. With that being said, to posit Arian as a "normal college kid" isn't accurate. I had my fair share of Ramen noodles weeks in college too, but I was not literally making my school millions of dollars during that same time. Something needs to be done.
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This is BS. #1 doing this would require a split from the NCAA because ALL athletes get treated equally. It would take about 30 seconds for women's athletics to file suit against a school that knowingly pays their "revenue" producing players and not others or on a sliding scale. #2 tell me which sport/group of kids you are going to tell that they no longer have scholarships? Are you going to look the baseball team in the eyes and say sorry guys, your team isn't in the black so you gotta go.

Student athletes get paid, step up and get rid of your entitlement attitude and get on with life. People like you would reduce UT to football and women's basketball. Those are the only two programs that make money or break even nearly every year. The men's basketball team has only recently started putting enough butts in seats to break even or make a little money.
 
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ZoSo0789 said:
I can't disagree that the timing blows.... I hate that this came out when it did. However he did set the whole thing up to where the NCAA cannot come after UT in anyway regarding this mess. That was the primary stipulation he requested before he would say a word. Fortunately (or, unfortunately at times) Arian is one of the few players out there that has the pure intelligence to make a real run against the NCAA.

And I completely agree that players, not confined to Arian, should be more respectful and grateful that their university gave them the CHANCE to become successful. Do student athletes get screwed by receiving no benefits, I'd say yes. But I still think that the opportunities and support they're given should be definitely count as compensation.
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Do you really believe this? Just because they don't come looking for Foster doesn't mean they won't scrub us like dirty dishes for the last 5 years. Foster didn't fix shiite. He just made damn sure the NCAA will be looking at us like a lion at steak.
 
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treegreen said:
i'm not sure gibbs is what i would call the "nicest" dorms to stay in. They do get a lot, but at the same time they also get the opportunity to ruin their brains due to collisions and risk serious injury in other ways. i'm not sure where i stand on the whole paying players thing, but let's not pretend they aren't offering something in return for those goods and services they receive.
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then don't f'ing play!
 
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I for one am so sick of these college athletes crying because they don't get paid!
You got a free ride to an University!!
How much student debt do you have?
They give you a living expense!
It's called money management!!
Who has money when they are in college?
Nobody
Atleast 75-85% of us didn't!
And now your in the NFL making millions and your still crying because you had it "rough" while you are in college!
Give me a freaking break!
I had no money while in college only now I have a huge student loan debt to pay off.
Get over it!
Buch if cry babies!!
 
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TXA&M07 said:
This Tennessee fan base is really loyal to the school when this kind of crap surface. I commend you all on that.

This kid was a legend around here for many years, but he steps outta line, and he becomes a pile of crap. That's called loyalty in my book. Good for you.

Meanwhile, I need him to put up good numbers because my fantasy team has sucked lately.
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Baloney.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Do you really believe this? Just because they don't come looking for Foster doesn't mean they won't scrub us like dirty dishes for the last 5 years. Foster didn't fix shiite. He just made damn sure the NCAA will be looking at us like a lion at steak.
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if you actually believe that, I seriously cannot help you. No the NCAA cant go after Arian for this, and thats not what he did. He lawyered up properly to ensure they couldnt go after UT... that regime isn't even here anymore anyways. Nobody is going to try and purposely hurt their school. Im sure Butch probably made a comment about his DJing skills during the OW game, which irked Arian the wrong way and made him want to make UT a target for the NCAA.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
This is BS. #1 doing this would require a split from the NCAA because ALL athletes get treated equally. It would take about 30 seconds for women's athletics to file suit against a school that knowingly pays their "revenue" producing players and not others or on a sliding scale. #2 tell me which sport/group of kids you are going to tell that they no longer have scholarships? Are you going to look the baseball team in the eyes and say sorry guys, your team isn't in the black so you gotta go.

Student athletes get paid, step up and get rid of your entitlement attitude and get on with life. People like you would reduce UT to football and women's basketball. Those are the only two programs that make money or break even nearly every year. The men's basketball team has only recently started putting enough butts in seats to break even or make a little money.
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Take a deep breath. I don't think we are disagreeing much. Did you miss the part where I said it would open a can of worms determining a pay scale for non-revenue sports? However, the system where college football players feel the need to break the rules to get money needs to be addressed. Simple
 
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volfanbill said:
So Fulmer deserved millions while Foster deserved cafeteria food, athletic gear and an education. Fantastic.
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What does "deserve" have to do with anything? It's not about "deserving" it is about EARNING what you get in life. That line of thinking is why this nation is in the shape it's in economically.
 
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Do the players have significant football-related commitments in the summer? I know they need to do conditioning and weight training, but I'm wondering if they have time for summer jobs.
 
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GoVols15 said:
What does "deserve" have to do with anything? It's not about "deserving" it is about EARNING what you get in life. That line of thinking is why this nation is in the shape it's in economically.
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I actually tried to "like" this post more than once...knowing that I couldn't. SMDH
 
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NuclearVol said:
Do the players have significant football-related commitments in the summer? I know they need to do conditioning and weight training, but I'm wondering if they have time for summer jobs.
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I see you are from California. Enough said.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
UT players are amateur athletes. By definition that means they don't get paid. Free room, free school, free food. I've eaten at campus facilities and the food isn't bad. The problem arises when they have wives and kids. Those are real world problems. Made by real world decisions. Personal accountability is underrated...or nonexistent these days depending on who you ask. Don't want to try to support a kid or 2 while living in a dorm? Don't get anyone pregnant. I fail to see how its the responsibility of the U that a kid attends to support their family.
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You are missing a big time perspective on this. Football is an 11 month a year almost full time job for these kids. No matter if you get free food, room, etc.. from being on the football team, you get zero dollars to do normal things other kids on campus do like going out for pizza, taking a girl on a date, putting money in your car, buying some clothes every once in a while. And no possible way for these kids to have another job to get the spend cash while doing football. Then couple that with the fact that a large % of these kids don't come from much money and families may not have a nickel to send their way. That is the problem.

What we are talking about here is giving a little money to pay for some basic incidentals of college life. No money for signing autographs, using their image etc..

My perspective is I went to the Naval Academy. I ran Cross-Country, Indoor and Outdoor track. Fall / Winter / Spring and my entire summer was taken up with military stuff and then running. I got free room and board, free education, and heck I even got a little bit of money (like $200 a month) for incidentals. I know that an Academy is not comparable (except I understand the responsibility of being a D1 athlete who has to train 12 months out of the year, travel, miss classes, miss spring break, and miss out on a lot to play a sport), but what is comparable is that even though I got most everything paid for including all my meals etc.. I really needed that $200 the Navy gave me a month for things that my free education did not cover. And my parents even sent me some money every once in a while. Some of these kids parents don't have the money at all.

Guess they could go no where, just sit in the athletic dorms, wear the same clothes they had the day they came on campus, never go anywhere and enjoy that free education and food and room.


We talking couple hundred bucks a month, not turning them into pro-athletes with signing bonuses etc... And yes some people start their families while still in college. Your message is a bit derogatory in regards to personal accountability etc.. Projecting stereotypes on these athletes that do a lot for the University and keep people like you coming to this website!
 
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VeryBest said:
Take a deep breath. I don't think we are disagreeing much. Did you miss the part where I said it would open a can of worms determining a pay scale for non-revenue sports? However, the system where college football players feel the need to break the rules to get money needs to be addressed. Simple
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Not really. If you are caught taking benefits you forfeit your amateur status and should not be allowed to play another down for any college. The NCAA just needs to step up investigations and start hammering everyone caught taking benefits to set an example. Let the message become clear: if you get caught, you're done. This idea of paying players is completely absurd and demonstrates a disturbing sense of entitlement which seems to be getting worse and worse. If they start paying players I'm DONE with college football. Ill just watch the NFL.
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BennisDrewer said:
I did think it was funny before the game yesterday when Brando said something along the lines of, "Tennessee fans would say Foster actually received more money, but fumbled it all away." :eek:lol:
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That's funny!!!! I don't care who you are. :eek:lol:
 
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volfanbill said:
So what if they have families or when the cafeteria is closed or they need to dress up for something but all they've been given for free was some adidas climalite t shirts?
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So what is right! What about the other students (NON athletes) that are hungry when the cafeteria is closed. You must be a democrat, give give give it away because they don't get enough already. These high profile athletes get enough free food and training and much more than we'll ever know of, how do you not understand that? I'm married, have children, attend college, work full time managing a business, volunteer as a baseball coach at our local little league park and do quite well supporting this lifestyle. No one gives me anything for free.
 
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Man I went to TTU in the 80's they were the worse football team in the country at that time. Those guys got to eat steak everyday. I got food that made me run home from the cafeteria before I pooped my pants. Athletes do not have live off campus , don't have to have a cell phone bill or apartment rent. They get an education that is worth a million dollars. He didn't even deserve a scholarship his last year.
 
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