Found out during worship yesterday....

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#177
IPorange said:
My point was about the possibility for someone to find ways to interpret scripture as permission for violent acts. I don't think the Quran is significantly more violent than the old testament, but yet some go on here as if it is advocating the slaughtering of the world.
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That is just what the Quran does advocate.

Try to explain away the 10+ million, mostly Christian, people slaughtered in just this past century in genocides by muslim forces.

Try to explain away current widespread islamic terror activity or produce any Christian group that advocates for or practices daily carnage to advance it's belief.

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rjd970 said:
And I think it is all about the individual. There are many Muslims that disregard the nonsense in the Qu'ran and focus on the good stuff. Just like there are many Christians that disregard the nonsense in the Bible and focus on the good stuff.
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What good stuff is there to focus on in the Qu'ran??

Ask one of your muslim friends if he believes that islamic sharia law should be implemented worldwide.

Of course islam advocates lying, taqqiya, to cover for itself when not in a position of absolute authority.

It is ludicrous to try to advance the idea that the Bible and the Qu'ran teach the same things, idiotic and ignorant.





IPorange said:
Whoops, meant kill, not beat. Mark 7:9.

Then kill anyone who doesn't believe in Jesus. Luke 19: 22-27. I better watch my back!
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Mark 7:9-10 is a rebuke of the Jewish religious leaders of the day and says nothing about killing anyone, verse 10 quotes Moses saying; "let him die the death."

Luke 19:22-27 is a parable about a nobleman and says nothing about killing people who don't accept Jesus, there is no such offering in the New Testament.

None of those verses has anything to do with Jesus teaching His followers to kill or harm anyone.
 
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#178
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors"

"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace"

"God does not forbid you from dealing kindly and justly with those who do not fight you for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes: for God loveth those who are just."

"Those who believe and those who are Jews, Christians, and Sabeans; any who believe in God and the Last Day and work righteousness shall have their reward with their Lord and on them shall be no fear and they will not grieve"

What a sinister book!
 
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#179
rjd970 said:
My opinion is it is the perfect example of the danger of religious superstition. Is there any other complete waste of human life in history than those lost fighting over a worthless patch of desert on the Mediterranean?
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I can't argue against the thought...............

I would argue the crusades was more a war for money than freeing the holy land.

Freeing the holy land just made them feel better when they were slaughtering the country side of life....
 
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#180
IPorange said:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors"

"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace"

"God does not forbid you from dealing kindly and justly with those who do not fight you for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes: for God loveth those who are just."

"Those who believe and those who are Jews, Christians, and Sabeans; any who believe in God and the Last Day and work righteousness shall have their reward with their Lord and on them shall be no fear and they will not grieve"

What a sinister book!
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+1

Can't stand the thee and thou ......
 
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#181
rjd970 said:
Considering Islam has only been around for 700 years(Christianity has a 1300 year headstart) I would think it it is at least equal.

Only looking at today is shortsighted. We'll see where Islam is in another 600 years and compare it to today to see where we stand.
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why? society in and of itself is far more advanced than it was during the crusades. it's a lot easier to get uneducated superstitious idiots in the 1300s to attack a society than it with today's knowledge. are we supposed to act like muslims are 700 years behind the rest of us cullturally?
 
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#183
gsvol said:
What good stuff is there to focus on in the Qu'ran??

Ask one of your muslim friends if he believes that islamic sharia law should be implemented worldwide.

Of course islam advocates lying, taqqiya, to cover for itself when not in a position of absolute authority.

It is ludicrous to try to advance the idea that the Bible and the Qu'ran teach the same things, idiotic and ignorant.
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It doesn't surprise me on bit you would post this nonsense. You obviously haven't even read the Qu'ran. I don't blame you, you only go by what you read on anti-islamic websites. Try reading it for yourself and forming your own opinions.

It's requirements for charity alone far exceed what is in the Bible. I do have a friend that is Muslim, a very good friend in fact, and he doesn't believe in worldwide sharia law anymore than you believe in worldwide christian based laws.
 
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droski said:
why? society in and of itself is far more advanced than it was during the crusades. it's a lot easier to get uneducated superstitious idiots in the 1300s to attack a society than it with today's knowledge. are we supposed to act like muslims are 700 years behind the rest of us cullturally?
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As OE said, western civilaztion is 1300 years ahead of Muslim societies. Muslim societies of today almost mirror the uneducated societies of middle age Christianity. IMO, that is the chief reason why Islam is more dangerous than Christianity right now. It is middle age thought with 21st century weapons.

The simple answer to the bolded is absolutely.
 
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#186
rjd970 said:
As OE said, western civilaztion is 1300 years ahead of Muslim societies. Muslim societies of today almost mirror the uneducated societies of middle age Christianity. IMO, that is the chief reason why Islam is more dangerous than Christianity right now. It is middle age thought with 21st century weapons.

The simple answer to the bolded is absolutely.
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Then......are we to excuse them? The violent one, that is.
 
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#187
T-TownVol said:
Then......are we to excuse them? The violent one, that is.
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Never said that. But we are to try and understand them. It is the first step to solving the real root problem. I don't think anyone would say making information and education more available in the middle east would be nothing but good.
 
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#189
rjd970 said:
Never said that. But we are to try and understand them. It is the first step to solving the real root problem. I don't think anyone would say making information and education more available in the middle east would be nothing but good.
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OH, I did not mean to indicate that you had said that.
Believe it or not, I was actually asking a question instead of just smarting off.
More education would be great....but....do they actually want it?
 
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#190
rjd970 said:
As OE said, western civilaztion is 1300 years ahead of Muslim societies. Muslim societies of today almost mirror the uneducated societies of middle age Christianity. IMO, that is the chief reason why Islam is more dangerous than Christianity right now. It is middle age thought with 21st century weapons.

The simple answer to the bolded is absolutely.
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Nice post... and for the most part I agree. However, if many of the Muslim leaders had their way, then much of the Muslim civilization will remain in the middle ages.
 
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#191
No argument it is a means of control............................ this is going to sound crazy and narrowminded and I don't like Catholics...... but look at the history of the Catholic church doing the same thing.
 
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#192
IBlvNTmWrk said:
Nice post... and for the most part I agree. However, if many of the Muslim leaders had their way, then much of the Muslim civilization will remain in the middle ages.
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Same can be said for the church of the middle ages. I don't pretend to have the answer for modern day Islam. Some sort of enlightemnet is needed. All I know is there is a categorical difference between the Muslim of the middle east and the Muslim integrated in modern society (generally speaking of course).

This is kind of why I don't necessarily agree with instituting democracy in the middle east right now. There is no reason not to believe they will not vote themselves a full fledged theocracy if left to their own accord.
 
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#194
T-TownVol said:
OH, I did not mean to indicate that you had said that.
Believe it or not, I was actually asking a question instead of just smarting off.
More education would be great....but....do they actually want it?
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Right now, probably not. But there is a rising movement (see the Iran population under 30) that definitely want a more western friendly society. The problem is the Imams still have too much control.
 
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#195
rjd970 said:
Same can be said for the church of the middle ages. I don't pretend to have the answer for modern day Islam. Some sort of enlightemnet is needed. All I know is there is a categorical difference between the Muslim of the middle east and the Muslim integrated in modern society (generally speaking of course).

This is kind of why I don't necessarily agree with instituting democracy in the middle east right now. There is no reason not to believe they will not vote themselves a full fledged theocracy if left to their own accord.
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The answer is economic. A society where anyone has a chance to succeed and advance to a higher standard of living will eliminate a lot of the desperation and despair, as well as hatred, that fuels extremism.

Unfortunately, when oil or oil demand dries up, it's going to get a lot worse.
 
#196
#196
*runs into the thread*

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*runs back out*
 
#197
#197
OrangeEmpire said:
No argument it is a means of control............................ this is going to sound crazy and narrowminded and I don't like Catholics...... but look at the history of the Catholic church doing the same thing.
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Yeah... I was thinking of the same comparison (at least at the spiritual level). Although for much of the middle east their control goes beyond spirituality to also include poverty.
 
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