Found out during worship yesterday....

then the violence that has happened is coincidence?

Are you referring to Christian or Muslim violence? I am not sure since both have been associated with acts of violence.

Either way, it's people who use religious teachings as justification for their own selfish and violent acts.
 
Are you referring to Christian or Muslim violence? I am not sure since both have been associated with acts of violence.

Either way, it's people who use religious teachings as justification for their own selfish and violent acts.

are you really trying to argue that muslims have commited the same number of violent crimes as christians per capita in our lifetime?
 
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There you have it, OE. Perhaps you can help me understand his logic... 'cause I don't get it.

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);"

As I said before............ all he is doing right now is probing.......
 
are you really trying to argue that muslims have commited the same number of violent crimes as christians per capita in our lifetime?

Nice.

Looking throughout history though, they are probably on roughly even ground.
 
Nice.

Looking throughout history though, they are probably on roughly even ground.

i very much doubt that, but isn't today what we are talking about? when's the last christian leader who has suggested a crusade against muslims? how about the opposite? this is kind of like blaming current southerners for slavery.
 
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There you have it, OE. Perhaps you can help me understand his logic... 'cause I don't get it.

"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war);"

You know that Christians and Jews aren't considered pagans by the Quran, right? That verse is directly referring to the Pagans of Mecca, who were hostile and attacking the early group of Muslims. This wasn't a directive of open-ended violence, but was rather specifically calling to defend the early Islamic followers from the specific enemy of the Pagans of Mecca.

Where do you get your information about Islam?
 
are you really trying to argue that muslims have commited the same number of violent crimes as christians per capita in our lifetime?

Are you really trying to argue that our lifetimes are somehow more important than all of history? All else is irrelevant? We sure are special.
 
Are you really trying to argue that our lifetimes are somehow more important than all of history? All else is irrelevant? We sure are special.

yes it is not relavant when talking about TODAY. current christian teaching does not advocate violence. a large % of current muslim teaching does.
 
i very much doubt that, but isn't today what we are talking about? when's the last christian leader who has suggested a crusade against muslims? how about the opposite? this is kind of like blaming current southerners for slavery.

Pat Robertson? Jerry Falwell?
 
I'll go the other way and say that an unbeliever sure is interested in God...............

:)

We can't choose the path................

I agree that he is interested....one of these days, the Holy Spirit is going to get all up in his arse.
 
i very much doubt that, but isn't today what we are talking about? when's the last christian leader who has suggested a crusade against muslims? how about the opposite? this is kind of like blaming current southerners for slavery.

Considering Islam has only been around for 700 years(Christianity has a 1300 year headstart) I would think it it is at least equal.

Only looking at today is shortsighted. We'll see where Islam is in another 600 years and compare it to today to see where we stand.
 
i very much doubt that, but isn't today what we are talking about? when's the last christian leader who has suggested a crusade against muslims? how about the opposite? this is kind of like blaming current southerners for slavery.

dang drosk....come in there strong!
 
What is the general opinion of the crusades?

The bloodbath wasn't exactly one sided.

My opinion is it is the perfect example of the danger of religious superstition. Is there any other complete waste of human life in history than those lost fighting over a worthless patch of desert on the Mediterranean?
 

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