Fowler and Pollack say Tennessee

#52
#52
What part of 4 straight losing seasons is so hard for some of you guys to grasp?

This whole " We Are Tennessee so we are good " mentality just doesn't fly in today's here and now environment.

You don't like hearing what these talking heads say, turn the channel. It's that simple.

Otherwise, it just comes off as arrogant and plain stupid to complain about the status of a program that has 4 straight losing seasons.
 
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i hope they keep calling us the bottom of the sec makes these players hungry to win! and then when we beat their beloved alabama's,Georgia's they will stfu and eat crow!
 
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Tokeup69 said:
i hope they keep calling us the bottom of the sec makes these players hungry to win! and then when we beat their beloved alabama's,Georgia's they will stfu and eat crow!
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We definitely have been closer to the bottom tier than we have the upper tier since 2008. Butch is changing this, we start competing again for SEC next year, IMO.
 
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99gator said:
They should build 5 statues of James Franklin to honor him.
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Still say that while he did a better job than any coach in their history by a country mile, that most of his success was a mirage built on ridiculously easy schedules paired with a historically bad UT and Georgia and Florida teams decimated with injuries when they got em (last year). They were still easily handled and blown out by the good teams they played, which were few and far between.

It's all relative. He did a GREAT job by Vandy standards, he was nothing special (5th in the SEC East last year) by SEC standards. He also did it with his key/best players being Bobby Johnson recruits.
 
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millst987 said:
Is a lower tier SEC team? I am extremely bothered by this comment! Does this bother any of my fellow Vol fans as well? We have had a bad run here the last decade but historically we are not a lower tier SEC team. Someone needs to remind these ESPN analysts who we are!
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It amazes me how some of you guys find this stuff surprising.
 
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Based on recent history, I would have to concur. But the times, they are a changin'
 
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KBVol said:
Still say that while he did a better job than any coach in their history by a country mile, that most of his success was a mirage built on ridiculously easy schedules paired with a historically bad UT and Georgia and Florida teams decimated with injuries when they got em (last year). They were still easily handled and blown out by the good teams they played, which were few and far between.

It's all relative. He did a GREAT job by Vandy standards, he was nothing special (5th in the SEC East last year) by SEC standards.
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He did a great job at Vandy, period.

This measure is just insane. They can't beat UMass without him. UMass!!!

You're going to knock him because he couldn't beat top 10 teams while at Vandy. Seriously?

You can't judge him on "SEC standards" because he didn't coach at an SEC school. He coached at Vandy. If he was at Tennessee, yeah, what he did wouldn't be very noteworthy.
 
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millst987 said:
Is a lower tier SEC team? I am extremely bothered by this comment! Does this bother any of my fellow Vol fans as well? We have had a bad run here the last decade but historically we are not a lower tier SEC team. Someone needs to remind these ESPN analysts who we are!
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Second half of the conference, yes.

Bottom third, no.

UGA
UF
LSU
Fama
aTm
Ole Miss
Auburn

I'd say at least all those teams are better than us right now.

We're prob mid/high lower half.
 
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millst987 said:
Is a lower tier SEC team? I am extremely bothered by this comment! Does this bother any of my fellow Vol fans as well? We have had a bad run here the last decade but historically we are not a lower tier SEC team. Someone needs to remind these ESPN analysts who we are!
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we are with vandy and UK right now.
 
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American Pig said:
This past decade, UT has become a lower tier SEC team. UT is an outstanding program that was driven off the cliff by poor management decisions. We are coming back.
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I agree. 100% correct in your post. Some people will be posting "since 1950 no one has more wins than ...."
Currently, we are cellar dwellers and have been pushed around and beaten up and down the field for 5+ years. Whenever you have a 2 game losing streak to Vandy, you ARE lower tier and it AIN'T gonna change to you show up and BEAT somebody. Tonight is our chance to do something about. If we get beat again, we will get ZERO respect from the media. It's put up or shut up time boys.
 
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99gator said:
He did a great job at Vandy, period.

This measure is just insane. They can't beat UMass without him. UMass!!!

You're going to knock him because he couldn't beat top 10 teams while at Vandy. Seriously?

You can't judge him on "SEC standards" because he didn't coach at an SEC school. He coached at Vandy. If he was at Tennessee, yeah, what he did wouldn't be very noteworthy.
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Bobby Johnson won 7 games and a bowl game 3 years before Franklin got there. If Franklin gets 5 statues for having winning seasons 2 of 3 years how many does Johnson get, especially considering that the majority of Franklin's most important players were recruited by Johnson.

All I'm saying is that Franklin's success was relative to Vandy standards. They never sniffed an SEC East "title" let alone an SEC title and never beat a top tier SEC team while Franklin was there....2 awful UT teams, an 8 win Georgia team and a 4 win Florida team, both who were decimated with injuries, were their best wins. They were blown off the field when they played anybody worth a damn last year..... SCar, Texas A&M, and Missouri.

Many compare Vandy to Stanford, and rightfully so because of their academic standards and their records of historic futility. Hell, it's the primary reason why Derek Mason is now Vandy's head coach.

David Shaw is 34-7 and has won his division in each of his first 3 years as their head coach in the PAC-12, a conference that is easily the second best in the country. He beat the most dominant team in the conference, Oregon, a perennial Top 5 team, each of the last 3 years, while Vandy hasn't even played Alabama the last 2 years and were throttled 34-0 by Bama the one time Franklin played them his first year. That's a remarkable job by Shaw with much better results than Franklin ever accomplished at Vandy. If Franklin had even remotely accomplished with Vandy what Shaw has done with Stanford I could see your side. But he didn't.
 
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KBVol said:
Bobby Johnson won 7 games and a bowl game 3 years before Franklin got there. If Franklin gets 5 statues for having winning seasons 2 of 3 years how many does Johnson get, especially considering that the majority of Franklin's most important players were recruited by Johnson.

All I'm saying is that Franklin's success was relative to Vandy standards. They never sniffed an SEC East "title" let alone an SEC title and never beat a top tier SEC team while Franklin was there....2 awful UT teams, an 8 win Georgia team and a 4 win Florida team, both who were decimated with injuries, were their best wins. They were blown off the field when they played anybody worth a damn last year..... SCar, Texas A&M, and Missouri.

Many compare Vandy to Stanford, and rightfully so because of their academic standards and their records of historic futility. Hell, it's the primary reason why Derek Mason is now Vandy's head coach.

David Shaw is 34-7 and has won his division in each of his first 3 years as their head coach in the PAC-12, a conference that is easily the second best in the country. He beat the most dominant team in the conference, Oregon, a perennial Top 5 team, each of the last 3 years, while Vandy hasn't even played Alabama the last 2 years and were throttled 34-0 by Bama the one time Franklin played them his first year. That's a remarkable job by Shaw with much better results than Franklin ever accomplished at Vandy. If Franklin had even remotely accomplished with Vandy what Shaw has done with Stanford I could see your side. But he didn't.
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When people like Jim Plunkett, John Elway, Andrew Luck, Bill Walsh, and Dennis Green are a part of Vandy football, let me know
 
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99gator said:
When people like Jim Plunkett, John Elway, Andrew Luck, Bill Walsh, and Dennis Green are a part of Vandy football, let me know
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No offense, but that's not much of a retort 99. For example, don't believe Elway was ever a part of a winning team at Stanford. The great Bill Walsh (sincerely mean great) had 3 winning and 2 losing seasons in the PAC-10, which wasn't nearly the conference then as it is now. Jim Plunkett? He was great....44 years ago. Dennis Green was...Dennis Green.... 16-18 at Stanford and 26-63 overall as a collegiate head coach.

Bottom line, last year was arguably the greatest single season in Vanderbilt football history. They finished 4th in the SEC East, 7th overall in the SEC and lost by an average of 22 pts to the only 3 good teams they played last year (SCar, Missouri and Texas A&M).
 
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