Fowler and Pollack say Tennessee

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millst987 said:
Is a lower tier SEC team? I am extremely bothered by this comment! Does this bother any of my fellow Vol fans as well? We have had a bad run here the last decade but historically we are not a lower tier SEC team. Someone needs to remind these ESPN analysts who we are!
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It bothers me. Not because they said it, but because it's true.
 
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KBVol said:
No offense, but that's not much of a retort 99. For example, don't believe Elway was ever a part of a winning team at Stanford. The great Bill Walsh (sincerely mean great) had 3 winning and 2 losing seasons in the PAC-10, which wasn't nearly the conference then as it is now. Jim Plunkett? He was great....44 years ago. Dennis Green was...Dennis Green.... 16-18 at Stanford and 26-63 overall as a collegiate head coach.

Bottom line, last year was arguably the greatest single season in Vanderbilt football history. They finished 4th in the SEC East, 7th overall in the SEC and lost by an average of 22 pts to the only 3 good teams they played last year (SCar, Missouri and Texas A&M).
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Stanford has had periods of success in football.

The comparison, just because of academics, is a bad one.

Duke is a proper comparison
 
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99gator said:
Stanford has had periods of success in football.

The comparison, just because of academics, is a bad one.

Duke is a proper comparison
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Listening to every talking head and football "expert" and Vandy's AD for the entire offseason, I'd say yours in a distinct minority in thinking that the Vandy-Stanford comparison is a poor one. Bottom line is, neither program has ever had much of any sustained success and have always resided in the bottom half of their respective conferences. And while Franklin was taking Vandy to the unprecedented heights of 4th in the SEC East, David Shaw was taking Stanford to conference championship games and Rose Bowl appearances.
 
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KBVol said:
Listening to every talking head and football "expert" and Vandy's AD for the entire offseason, I'd say yours in a distinct minority in thinking that the Vandy-Stanford comparison is a poor one. Bottom line is, neither program has ever had much of any sustained success and have always resided in the bottom half of their respective conferences. And while Franklin was taking Vandy to the unprecedented heights of 4th in the SEC East, David Shaw was taking Stanford to conference championship games and Rose Bowl appearances.
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Stanford has 14, PAC 12 conference football titles.

They've won at least 1 every decade except the 60's, 80's, and 00's.

How many SEC titles does Vandy have? Overall #1 draft picks? Heisman winners?

The comparison is terrible.
 
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99gator said:
Stanford has 14, PAC 12 conference football titles.

They've won at least 1 every decade except the 60's, 80's, and 00's.

How many SEC titles does Vandy have? Overall #1 draft picks? Heisman winners?

The comparison is terrible.
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I completely agree. It's an insult to Stanford to be compared to Vandy
 
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99gator said:
Stanford has 14, PAC 12 conference football titles.

They've won at least 1 every decade except the 60's, 80's, and 00's.

How many SEC titles does Vandy have? Overall #1 draft picks? Heisman winners?

The comparison is terrible.
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By the way, how many of those conference titles is Shaw responsible for? Answer is 2 in 3 years. How many did Franklin get? Zero.

And how many SEC coach of the year awards did Franklin win? Zero? Shaw has 2 in 3 years in the PAC-12, competing vs guys like Kelly at Oregon and Mora at UCLA. At least Franklin got him a 4th place finish in the East.

You're not gonna change my mind and I'm not gonna change yours. Franklin was vastly overrated and I'd take Shaw over him 10 out of 10 times. Agree to disagree.
 
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Of course, we're the bottom half of the SEC that Stoops referenced. All those who defended CDD on this site when he was here contributed as much as any fan could to that reality and the delay in putting it behind us.

And, you can bet Stoops plans to beat us down today... and, if he does, that'll be the new tune he spews after the game.

If ever there was a time to "Man up" this is it. We need 22 Frosh to play like they were Seniors. Nothing less!

Go Vols! :rock:
 
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On another note- big crowd at the Miami game today. Stadium practically empty. How do they get any players
 
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millst987 said:
Is a lower tier SEC team? I am extremely bothered by this comment! Does this bother any of my fellow Vol fans as well? We have had a bad run here the last decade but historically we are not a lower tier SEC team. Someone needs to remind these ESPN analysts who we are!
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Vols can remind them, tonight, by playing well.
 
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Yes, we are a lower tier SEC team now. We are, essentially, what Ole Miss was for years and years. And the only way we move up a tier is by taking big steps forward. Not 6 wins this year and 7-8 next year. We have to make a real big jump in wins in this year or the next or we'll just stay at the lower tier perpetually, cycling up to 8 and back down to 5, like many of the other usual bottom feeders have done.
 
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I forgot what I had for lunch. How can I expect ESPN analysts to remember us as a national power house after more than a decade?
 
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champyvol said:
we are very young, will be lucky not to lose by 100 tonight.
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I love the Vols. But... if we go 6-6 this year, it will be awesome. I have said that all year, and this showing is proving it right.

Oh, and I fixed your post.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I love the Vols. But... if we go 6-6 this year, it will be awesome. I have said that all year, and this showing is proving it right.
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me too. after seeing this tonight though the reality is jones will never lead us to a SEC championship. he does not have a clue how to coach. recruiting he is great, but coaching wise he has no clue.
 
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