Fox being sued for allegedly broadcasting ‘lies’ about Dominion

[CobbVol]

1. Cuomo told his audience he stopped advising his brother while in private he was doing so.

2. He told his audience for weeks about his quarantine for covid away from his family in his basement while caught going outside during that timeframe to argue with a neighbor.

3. He attacked sexual harassers on the air while defending his brother privately in a similar situation.

 

[whodeycin85]

1. Cuomo told his audience he stopped advising his brother while in private he was doing so.

2. He told his audience for weeks about his quarantine for covid away from his family in his basement while caught going outside during that timeframe to argue with a neighbor.

3. He attacked sexual harassers on the air while defending his brother privately in a similar situation.

Not the same thing. Cuz it CNN.

 

[BowlBrother85]

1. Cuomo told his audience he stopped advising his brother while in private he was doing so.

2. He told his audience for weeks about his quarantine for covid away from his family in his basement while caught going outside during that timeframe to argue with a neighbor.

3. He attacked sexual harassers on the air while defending his brother privately in a similar situation.

1) That's lying ... but not being two-faced.

2) That could be construed as a lie ... but was arguing with a neighbor one time, his only break from the quarantine? If so, there is not much meat on that bone.

3) That's hypocrisy.

You aren't talking about the same situation with Tucker Carlson at all.

 

[TN Ribs]

Fox plays Maga for the gullible, low-information folks they are--same way that Sunday televangelists and many GOP politicians and other
right-wing media do. Rural Americans are a market for them. Fox tells Maga what it wants to hear to keep Maga watching Fox. Fox doesn't believe
half or three-quarters of the crap its spews. Fox itself has already made this clear in depositions related to 2020 election. It didn't believe the gangster's election fraud lies but wasn't going to dispute them and risk losing its rube market. That has been admitted by Fox officials in case testimony.

Fox News viewers need their safe space which is precisely why Fox made the deliberate decision to tell them what they wanted to hear instead of telling them the truth. And Tucker is so depraved he felt it was better to fire a reporter for debunking election lies because their snowflake viewers feelings were hurt.

For Fox News, factual reporting is bad for business.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Fox News viewers need their safe space which is precisely why Fox made the deliberate decision to tell them what they wanted to hear instead of telling them the truth. And Tucker is so depraved he felt it was better to fire a reporter for debunking election lies because their snowflake viewers feelings were hurt.

For Fox News, factual reporting is bad for business.

Fox News fired Chris Stirewalt for projecting Joe Biden as the winner of Arizona on election night, before any other network had. Did it matter that Joe Biden really did win Arizona? Nope.

 

[TN Ribs]

Fox News fired Chris Stirewalt for projecting Joe Biden as the winner of Arizona on election night, before any other network had. Did it matter that Joe Biden really did win Arizona? Nope.

Rational people have known what they were doing for years but it's nice to finally have the receipts, they are now being exposed for solely being a vehicle for right wing propaganda and grievance.
But the echo chamber is pretty airtight, their viewers have been conditioned to support this nonsense and not seek out factual sources - it's easier for them to be lied to, it's their safe space.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Rational people have known what they were doing for years but it's nice to finally have the receipts, they are now being exposed for solely being a vehicle for right wing propaganda and grievance.
But the echo chamber is pretty airtight, their viewers have been conditioned to support this nonsense and not seek out factual sources - it's easier for them to be lied to, it's their safe space.

MAGA is such an insular culture. I would be willing to bet that a good portion of the Fox News viewership is completely unaware of the revelations made during the discovery phase of Dominion's law suit. Fox News doesn't report it or comment on it ... and that's all they watch.

 

[turbovol]

Not the same thing. Cuz it CNN.

You're right--not the same thing. Not even close to the right thing, but another funny example of conservative false equivalency. Major false equivalency. Laughable false equivalency. Also, Cuomo got fired for his transgressions. And he wasn't spouting abject nonsense every night.

 

[CobbVol]

1) That's lying ... but not being two-faced.

2) That could be construed as a lie ... but was arguing with a neighbor one time, his only break from the quarantine? If so, there is not much meat on that bone.

3) That's hypocrisy.

You aren't talking about the same situation with Tucker Carlson at all.

What is the difference between lying and being two-faced?

 

[turbovol]

MAGA is such an insular culture. I would be willing to bet that a good portion of the Fox News viewership is completely unaware of the revelations made during the discovery phase of Dominion's law suit. Fox News doesn't report it or comment on it ... and that's all they watch.

There are many interviews with MAGA people at trump jamborees in recent years, and it is quite clear that 1) they didn't get past 3rd grade, and 2) that their crazy opinions have no connection with reality. It's not terrible to have a political bias--but one really should have at least a passing interest in facts. Fox viewers are like the customers of pay-day lenders. Fox is the pay-day lender who knows his business is morally wrong but who discovered that, even so, it's a good business--and so he slaps the borrower on the back as he's about to leave with his cash and says, "That money should really help you," when he's really thinking: "This poor sap has just got himself into an even deeper financial hole." Or the Sunday TV evangelist who tells the flock, "If you'll just send me 10 percent of your monthly income (so I can buy a new luxury car or a beach house), I'll send god a personal message to take good care of you for years to come." TV viewer: "Oh, Earl, did you hear that!? Get the checkbook."

 

[Orangeburst]

There are many interviews with MAGA people at trump jamborees in recent years, and it is quite clear that 1) they didn't get past 3rd grade, and 2) that their crazy opinions have no connection with reality. It's not terrible to have a political bias--but one really should have at least a passing interest in facts. Fox viewers are like the customers of pay-day lenders. Fox is the pay-day lender who knows his business is morally wrong but who discovered that, even so, it's a good business--and so he slaps the borrower on the back as he's about to leave with his cash and says, "That money should really help you," when he's really thinking: "This poor sap has just got himself into an even deeper financial hole." Or the Sunday TV evangelist who tells the flock, "If you'll just send me 10 percent of your monthly income (so I can buy a new luxury car or a beach house), I'll send god a personal message to take good care of you for years to come." TV viewer: "Oh, Earl, did you hear that!? Get the checkbook."

And yet they know what a woman and man are..LOL

 

[turbovol]

What is the difference between lying and being two-faced?

The difference is that the Cuomo thing was a one-off--an isolated, personal/family thing--and he got fired for it. Fox's business is reinforcing all
the nonsense its rural audience wants to hear. You think Tucker Carlson wants to do another sit-down with Trump and listen again to the gangster
spewing his self-promotional BS? I'll guarantee you that he loathes the gangster--but he does it for the business. When you question, harass or sack your political team for calling a state for Biden, you've jumped the shark--but that's been fox for a long time. I had a personal interaction with Fox in its earliest days--it's first year, I believe--when I was in NYC and nobody (including myself) yet knew what it was all about. I wish I could tell it, but I can't.

 

[turbovol]

And yet they know what a woman and man are..LOL

Sexual dismorphism is apparently a serious thing--serious in the sense that it can cause depression and other problems. If a man or woman
has it and wants to identify (or transition) to the opposite sex...whatevs, people should be free to find their happiness. That said, I do not support
the idea of transwomen competing in female/women's sports---especially at the high school and above level. I was very annoyed when the Univ of Pennsylvania allowed a transwoman swimmer, Lia Thomas, to compete in collegiate female events. But by the NCAA's standard last year, she was entitled
to compete as a female. Problem was, the NCAA had done little real research on the issue and so its only eligibility rule for a transwoman is that she have been on a hormone suppressant for at least a year. That was it. It was a very weak standard which I don't think is even in place anymore--as standards are now being seriously researched and changed in sports. In the interest of not discriminating against Thomas and being inconclusive, the NCAA and Penn discriminated against all the real female swimmers. And Thomas went on to win a national title in a freestyle event. Identity is not biology--and with respect to high-level sports that is a vital distinction.

I also don't think that kids under the age of, say, 12/14, should be encouraged to consider their identity. I don't think they are now--despite all the hysteria from the political right, no doubt misplaced as most right-wing hysteria is. (The right overreacts badly to most everything, including absurd conspiracy theories.) People come to learn about themselves on their own, in their own way, and that seems proper and appropriate to me. But trans people should be treated respectfully, like everyone else. Right-wingers want to believe the country is falling apart because a few trans people are walking around or there are a few drag shows somewhere.

 

[Rooster1]

The difference is that the Cuomo thing was a one-off--an isolated, personal/family thing--and he got fired for it. Fox's business is reinforcing all
the nonsense its rural audience wants to hear. You think Tucker Carlson wants to do another sit-down with Trump and listen again to the gangster
spewing his self-promotional BS? I'll guarantee you that he loathes the gangster--but he does it for the business. When you question, harass or sack your political team for calling a state for Biden, you've jumped the shark--but that's been fox for a long time. I had a personal interaction with Fox in its earliest days--it's first year, I believe--when I was in NYC and nobody (including myself) yet knew what it was all about. I wish I could tell it, but I can't.

Was she an on-air person?

 

[lawgator1]

1. Cuomo told his audience he stopped advising his brother while in private he was doing so.

2. He told his audience for weeks about his quarantine for covid away from his family in his basement while caught going outside during that timeframe to argue with a neighbor.

3. He attacked sexual harassers on the air while defending his brother privately in a similar situation.

Ok that's one. Versus the entirety of Fox on air personnel.

Oh, and Cuomo was forced out at CNN. On Fox they have you interview and pat on the back the guy you all say is a complete fraud and who you personally loathe.

Yeah, those are exactly the same.

 

[hUTch2002]

In other words, you don't have an equitable example. You have to resort to statements such as "they lied and they absolutely knew they did."

... and I'm not talking about the reporting of misinformation either. Do you have any evidence that there were opinions expressed on either CNN or MSNBC that network pundits, didn't actually believe?

“Equitable” is your opinion genius and there’s nothing I could offer that you would consider equitable. CNN, MSNBC and Fox are all spewing their narrative regardless of the truth, you just see one side of it.

 

[hUTch2002]

Basically, Tucker Carlson is two-faced.

The discussion here concerns the difference in how Tucker Carlson speaks about Donald Trump privately (I hate him passionately!), with how he kisses Trump's butt on his show (such as the interview from the other night). You aren't talking about the same thing.

Ah, so you prefer lying by CNN and MSNBC as long as they believe the cause behind the lies. Got it.

 

[turbovol]

Was she an on-air person?

A Fox correspondent fact-checked the gangster's lies about the Dominion voting machines and sent out a Tweet--I think on election night--effectively
stating that Trump was full of $hit. The tweet got all the Fox big shots angry--starting with Carlson--who worried that it would affect the Fox stock price and adversely affect the company. Ha. She was fired.

A Tucker Carson producer has charged that she was coached by Fox lawyers and others to lie and dissemble when deposed by Dominion lawyers. She has offered to be a Dominion star witness and presume that she will testify against Fox, as she should.

 

[hUTch2002]

They don't want to even acknowledge it because there is no excuse or credible reason to justify it.

And who are “they” LG? Tucker is 2-faced. I’ve never liked him. I can admit it. You and BB are the ones that can’t as you justify and spread the lies told by CNN and MSNBC.

 

[turbovol]

Ah, so you prefer lying by CNN and MSNBC as long as they believe the cause behind the lies. Got it.

This is more of the false equivalency that conservatives always try to hoist up their flagpole when we see how corrupt the gangster, fox and other right-wing people and organizations are. They want to pretend that Biden and Clinton are no different than Trump---absolute nonsense. They want to pretend that the New York Times is no different than hack right-wing media/bloggers. Beyond nonsense. They want to pretend that street protests over police killings are no different than an attack on the U.S. Capitol incited by a corrupt president. CNN and MSNBC are nothing like Fox, sorry. They certainly lean left--but they don't make $hit up and spread conspiracy theories. They would never not call a state for a Republican candidate because it might upset its audience, as Fox did. CNN was a dull straight news network before Fox came along and upset the apple cart with its propaganda format. CNN reacted to that by becoming a counterweight to Fox--but a more reputable counterweight. You can choose not to believe that--I understand how Maga think--but it's a fact.

Here's a good NYTimes column on Fox from today--and, I hasten to add, it's non-partisan.
Opinion | Tucker Carlson and Rupert Murdoch Were Right

 

[hUTch2002]

That is still not the same thing. I'm not talking about lying or having a conflict of interest. I'm talking about being two-faced. Expressing one opinion on the air, while giving the exact opposite opinion in private.

What do you think lying is?

 

[turbovol]

Ah, so you prefer lying by CNN and MSNBC as long as they believe the cause behind the lies. Got it.

There is no equivalent to the gangster (trump) in the Democratic Party. And never would be. CNN and MSNBC audience is more educated and sophisticated than Fox's audience---sorry, but true--and would never put up with the way Fox operates.

 

[Orangeburst]

This is more of the false equivalency that conservatives always try to hoist up their flagpole when we see how corrupt the gangster, fox and other right-wing people and organizations are. They want to pretend that Biden and Clinton are no different than Trump---absolute nonsense. They want to pretend that the New York Times is no different than hack right-wing media/bloggers. Beyond nonsense. They want to pretend that street protests over police killings are no different than an attack on the U.S. Capitol incited by a corrupt president. CNN and MSNBC are nothing like Fox, sorry. They certainly lean left--but they don't make $hit up and spread conspiracy theories. They would never not call a state for a Republican candidate because it might upset its audience, as Fox did. CNN was a dull straight news network before Fox came along and upset the apple cart with its propaganda format. CNN reacted to that by becoming a counterweight to Fox--but a more reputable counterweight. You can choose not to believe that--I understand how Maga think--but it's a fact.

Here's a good NYTimes column on Fox from today--and, I hasten to add, it's non-partisan.
Opinion | Tucker Carlson and Rupert Murdoch Were Right

Here you go with your purity. Newsflash..they lie. And omission of truth is just as egregious in journalism.

List of controversies involving The New York Times - Wikipedia

 

[Orangeburst]

There is no equivalent to the gangster (trump) in the Democratic Party. And never would be. CNN and MSNBC audience is more educated and sophisticated than Fox's audience---sorry, but true--and would never put up with the way Fox operates.

Biden is corrupt, chronic liar, and adulterer. All that you point at Trump.
Worse yet, his policies suck.

 

[hUTch2002]

This is more of the false equivalency that conservatives always try to hoist up their flagpole when we see how corrupt the gangster, fox and other right-wing people and organizations are. They want to pretend that Biden and Clinton are no different than Trump---absolute nonsense. They want to pretend that the New York Times is no different than hack right-wing media/bloggers. Beyond nonsense. They want to pretend that street protests over police killings are no different than an attack on the U.S. Capitol incited by a corrupt president. CNN and MSNBC are nothing like Fox, sorry. They certainly lean left--but they don't make $hit up and spread conspiracy theories. They would never not call a state for a Republican candidate because it might upset its audience, as Fox did. CNN was a dull straight news network before Fox came along and upset the apple cart with its propaganda format. CNN reacted to that by becoming a counterweight to Fox--but a more reputable counterweight. You can choose not to believe that--I understand how Maga think--but it's a fact.

Here's a good NYTimes column on Fox from today--and, I hasten to add, it's non-partisan.
Opinion | Tucker Carlson and Rupert Murdoch Were Right

You’re so indoctrinated that you don’t even know it. I’m shocked. You probably still believe Trump called Neo-Nazis very fine people because CNN and MSNBC told you it’s true when a quick look at the transcript of what he actually said confirms he specifically said he wasn’t talking about that group.