Fox "News" is Crap

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lawgator1 said:
Except for two things. First, the Republican base still hates Gore. Hannity seems to personally loathe the man.

Last night, I heard Hannity say that Gore's home used 200,000 kw hours of electricity last year, and that it was enough to power 240 traditional sized homes .... and then he mutter under his breath "for a month."

Rather than compare the numbers meaningfully, i.e. Gore uses the equivalent of 20 people's home's worth of electricity over the course of a year, he changes the measuring stick from a year to a month just so that he can use the much starker number of 240 households.

Now, Gore using the equivalent of 20 average homes, that's bad. But Hannity intentionally manipulated the number so that he could make it sound worse.

Just painfully obvious what he is doing. I wonder how many of his listeners caught the difference -- maybe 5 %?





Hey, I'm no big fan of Obama. I might even vote for McCain, haven't decided. But you imply that Obama has "terrorist connections." What are you talking about? Seriously, that's a pretty explosive thing to say -- to what are you alluding?
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you don't think it is relavant that the man who tells us all that the environoment is screwed and the world is going to end creates a far worse carbon footprint than the average american because of his huge home and private jet?
 
#77
#77
lawgator1 said:
Except for two things. First, the Republican base still hates Gore. Hannity seems to personally loathe the man.
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Please distinguish between political opinion commentators (Hannity) and news reporting. I'm referring to the news reporting. Hannity is a tool just as Olbermann is a tool. They are not reporting news, they are giving opinion.
 
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#78
exactly what i was going to say volinbham. no one would ever consider hannity a news reporter.
 
#79
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droski said:
you don't think it is relavant that the man who tells us all that the environoment is screwed and the world is going to end creates a far worse carbon footprint than the average american because of his huge home and private jet?
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LG thought it was relevant..he just did not like Hannity trying to make Gore really bad...he would have preferred just plain bad. LG heard the secret under the breath murmur...but figures the other 95% of the world could not.
 
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allvol123 said:
LG thought it was relevant..he just did not like Hannity trying to make Gore really bad...he would have preferred just plain bad. LG heard the secret under the breath murmur...but figures the other 95% of the world could not.
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oh that's right he's a lawyer and democrat so therefore clearly smarter than 95% of the population.
 
#81
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droski said:
you don't think it is relavant that the man who tells us all that the environoment is screwed and the world is going to end creates a far worse carbon footprint than the average american because of his huge home and private jet?
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It is valid and reasonable and appropriate to criticize Gore for being a hipocrite on the environment.

It is not valid or reasonable or appropriate to intentionally manipulate the factual basis of the criticism just to make it seem worse than it is. But that is par for the course for Hannity AND for Fox News, in general.



volinbham said:
Please distinguish between political opinion commentators (Hannity) and news reporting. I'm referring to the news reporting. Hannity is a tool just as Olbermann is a tool. They are not reporting news, they are giving opinion.
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I agree with you. We've been bouncing back and forth between the "news" part of it and then Hannity, kind of as a side issue.

To be clear, Hannity specifically disclaims that he is a news reporter. He says he is a commentator. In a post above, I give him credit for doing so.

The ones that irk me to no end really, on the subject at least of pretending to be news when they are really arguing a political point of view, are the Brit Humes, Tony Snow (went to work for Bush, no surprise there), and the Chris Wallace's of the Fox "news" department.


allvol123 said:
LG thought it was relevant..he just did not like Hannity trying to make Gore really bad...he would have preferred just plain bad. LG heard the secret under the breath murmur...but figures the other 95% of the world could not.
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I figured that 95 % didn't want to hear and didn't care. They just heard the number 240 times and added it to their repertoire of falsehoods to bring up at dinner with the neighbors or inlaws this weekend.

I did not mean to imply that Hannity's regular listeners are not as smart as I am. Not at all. What I meant was that Hannity intentionally tried to mislead and that a huge percentage of his audience gobbles it up because it is what they want to hear.
 
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LG if you read the CNN and FOX Obama financing stories I think you'll see they are equally but oppositely slanted. If the Fox article is the voice of the GOP then the CNN article is surely the voice of the DNC.

Of note, the NYT article about the topic did express concerns about Obama's decision as have many public interest groups.
 
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wait, a commentator saying what his listeners and viewers want to hear?

that's positively scandalous.
 
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#85
droski said:
oh that's right he's a lawyer and democrat so therefore clearly smarter than 95% of the population.
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Lawyers can be incredibly dumb because they think they are smart and tend to screen out opinions with which they disagree. I know some that I think are some kind of powerful stupid. Don't think for one minute I believe lawyers are inherently brighter than anyone else. Not so. Not so at all.

What I intended to say there was that 95 % of Hannity's audience are not going to challenge the misuse of the statistic Hannity just gave them because they don't want to. They hear the number 240 times, and they march right out and repeat it.

Just as Hannity intended.

And its not because they are stupid. Its because they want to believe it so bad that they are easily manipulated.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The ones that irk me to no end really, on the subject at least of pretending to be news when they are really arguing a political point of view, are the Brit Humes, Tony Snow (went to work for Bush, no surprise there), and the Chris Wallace's of the Fox "news" department.
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I disagree with this sentiment. When Hume is reporting, he maintains the Fox slant but that is all IMHO. The same is true with Chris Wallace. When Hume is an opinion commentator, he takes a more right-wing stance.

Again I'm not saying they are neutral, there is a definite slant. However, compare that to their contemporaries at MSNBC or CNN and they are no more slanted to the right than those are slanted to the left.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Would it be sterotypical of me to assume that all lawyers are democrats/socialists?
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Probably depends on the type of law practiced. For trial lawyers, that stereotype is probably true. On the other hand, I know many business/transactional (e.g., corporate, real estate, etc.) lawyers who do not fit that mold, myself included.
 
#90
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droski said:
i'm just ribbing you lawgator :)
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That's okay. I wasn't clear and I can see how it might have come across as an arrogant lawyer thinking he is the only one who gets it. I don't think that way at all.

In fact, in social circles, I shy away from what I do for a living because so many lawyers have done so many ignorant and stupid things, and yet acted so above everyone else, that I think the profession has a really bad reputation right now.

If it were up to me, we'd close all law schools in the country for 3-5 years and thin things out a little bit. Too many lawyers is just adding to transaction costs and they are falling all over themselves trying to justify it.

I love what I do and its interesting stuff, but I learned a long time ago that the cases aren't about me and the worst thing a lawyer can do is stand up in front of a jury and make it about the lawyers. People see through that now, thank God.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Lawyers can be incredibly dumb because they think they are smart and tend to screen out opinions with which they disagree. I know some that I think are some kind of powerful stupid. Don't think for one minute I believe lawyers are inherently brighter than anyone else. Not so. Not so at all.

What I intended to say there was that 95 % of Hannity's audience are not going to challenge the misuse of the statistic Hannity just gave them because they don't want to. They hear the number 240 times, and they march right out and repeat it.

Just as Hannity intended.

And its not because they are stupid. Its because they want to believe it so bad that they are easily manipulated.
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Then it becomes the job of the person hearing this statistic quoted to educate him/herself to the truth. Anyone who just believes anything someone tells them is a moron. You don't think leftists engage in this type of thing all the time? I know from experience to be very skeptical of the crap my liberal friends try to sell to me. They are almost always bending the truth or outright mis-stating reality, usually becuase they are quoting something they have learned from some far left outfit.
 
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#95
lawgator1 said:
Fair and balanced? What a joke!
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According to your news source... The Huffington Post.

Hiliary Clinton strongest supporter Democratic Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said that Fox News coverage of the election has been the "most balanced and objective"

Clinton Surrogate Ed Rendell Praises Fox News For "Most Objective," "Balanced" Coverage - Media on The Huffington Post

Just keep telling yourself that the WTC came down in controlled explosions, and the pentagon was actually hit by a cruise missile.

Oh yea and your daily reading involves this

rosie.com » Home Page
 
#96
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
According to your news source... The Huffington Post.

Hiliary Clinton strongest supporter Democratic Pennsylvania Governor Ed Rendell said that Fox News coverage of the election has been the "most balanced and objective"

Clinton Surrogate Ed Rendell Praises Fox News For "Most Objective," "Balanced" Coverage - Media on The Huffington Post

Just keep telling yourself that the WTC came down in controlled explosions, and the pentagon was actually hit by a cruise missile.

Oh yea and your daily reading involves this

rosie.com » Home Page
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I think the goverment had the building attack the plane:thumbsup:
 
#97
#97
lawgator1 said:
What I intended to say there was that 95 % of Hannity's audience are not going to challenge the misuse of the statistic Hannity just gave them because they don't want to. They hear the number 240 times, and they march right out and repeat it.
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you are absolutely wrong here. I don't care for Hannity or his ilk, but he misused nothing. If the data was right, the stat he quoted was exactly correct. He simply used an annual period instead of a monthly period in making his statement. Just because it makes an already painful message to you even worse doesn't mean it was incorrect.

You act as if the green lunatics that are trying to expense corporations into the ground, over this exact issue, don't make skewed stats and hyperbole the very basis of their entire argument. The entire movement is skewed stats and emotional waste.
 
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