Fraudulent Christians

#51
#51
volfanjustin said:
Lol. It’s funny watching the far left act like you all suddenly have values and morals
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It's funny to me seeing you whining about everyone and what they do or say, then tell everyone that you spent some quality time with your wife, at a bar.

I mean I don't care, but I think it's funny how so many people can be so concerned with what everyone else is doing that they can't see the hypocrisy in constantly putting them down. You're no better than they are and I'm certainly no better than either of you.

Didn't really have a point, just wanted to throw that out there since condemning everybody seems to be the theme. Lol.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Lol. It’s funny watching the far left act like you all suddenly have values and morals
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That's another problem with our country--we're obsessed with comparing our own problems with the perceived problems of others. Everyone is so obsessed with whataboutism that we are unwilling to hold those who are ideologically aligned with us accountable for their actions because they're apparently minor in comparison to that of our opponents'. Neither major party will do this anymore. Meanwhile, we freely elect an admitted sexual predator with no political experience and our only real option for removing him from office is a creepy, geriatric racist.

We've gotten to the point in this country where I honestly believe we would be better off with a grocery store clerk serving as president than any of the candidates who have a chance at winning. It's sad, really.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
Seems now that anyone believes that maxim to be true when it benefits them. Our president paid a porn star for sex and bragged about sexually assaulting women and was subsequently elected, with strong support from evangelicals. Maybe we should start holding our elected leaders to a standard at least equal to private university presidents.
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He didn’t brag about sexually assaulting women...... of Christians were only allowed to vote for Christians then they would not be allowed to vote for anyone.
 
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Behr said:
It's funny to me seeing you whining about everyone and what they do or say, then tell everyone that you spent some quality time with your wife, at a bar.

I mean I don't care, but I think it's funny how so many people can be so concerned with what everyone else is doing that they can't see the hypocrisy in constantly putting them down. You're no better than they are and I'm certainly no better than either of you.

Didn't really have a point, just wanted to throw that out there since condemning everybody seems to be the theme. Lol.
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#56
#56
clarksvol00 said:
There have been several allegations about self-dealing in his role at Liberty over the last year or two. If true, ripping off a Christian university founded by your father is probably more fraudulent than some stupid yacht pic. Its kind of crazy this is what got him in trouble.
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"A picture is worth a thousand words"
 
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Matt2496 said:
Christians, just like any other human being, are imperfect; God is the only perfect being there is. God will forgive this man of his sins if he asks forgiveness.
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But those emails and the private server ... even God can't forgive.
 
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volbeast33 said:
He didn’t brag about sexually assaulting women...... of Christians were only allowed to vote for Christians then they would not be allowed to vote for anyone.
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Essentially every president has been a proclaimed Christian. FYI, you can be a Christian and still be a bad person.
 
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Behr said:
It's funny to me seeing you whining about everyone and what they do or say, then tell everyone that you spent some quality time with your wife, at a bar.

I mean I don't care, but I think it's funny how so many people can be so concerned with what everyone else is doing that they can't see the hypocrisy in constantly putting them down. You're no better than they are and I'm certainly no better than either of you.

Didn't really have a point, just wanted to throw that out there since condemning everybody seems to be the theme. Lol.
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It’s funny to me that you’re whining about them whining about other people whining. And it’s even funnier to me that I’m whining about you whining about them whining about other people whining. And it’s still funnier to me...eh, never mind.
 
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I typed a long post trying to explain what the handful of people I have known actually have, but ended up deleting it. To try and explain it to someone who doesn't believe is like trying to explain to my wife the difference between a 2 and 4 stroke engine. It isn't that she isn't capable of understanding, under the right circumstances anyway...it's that she doesn't really care...and her life experiences thus far are such that the best she could gain is an intellectual understanding...not a practical working knowledge that would help her right now.

Suffice to say this: of all the folks I have known and worshipped with since 2003 when I got saved, I have known a handful of people who are truly 100% "sold out", in love with Jesus Christ and live each and every day of their lives trying to please Him in every way that they can. One thing I have noticed that these exceptional people have in common is that they seemingly begin every day praying some version of this:

" Dear Lord, wherever I go today, and whatever it is that I do...let it not be because of me or MY will...let each and every thing that I say and do be YOUR will...let everything that I do be pleasing to you..that I might glorify you and bring others to know YOU."

I have only known a few people with the strength of character, unyielding faith, discipline, and "death to self" attitude capable of living each and every day for God, rather than themselves. It is an amazing thing to behold, and to be around these rare people is to witness the power of God manifest on Earth. It is difficult to aptly describe...and amazing to witness. These people see God's hand and His miracles frequently. They are on a high that no Earthly drug could ever hope to produce. In everything they do, they live, breathe, and walk by Faith.

I have never personally been able to make it to that place in my walk. I have felt God's presence in my life...i have seen Him work a miracle that directly affected my family...i have felt the peace that ONLY comes from Him, when I was doing exactly what HE called me to do, and was right in the center of God's will for my life. It is an amazing feeling...but I am not worthy to be 1 of the people that I described above. I am just a sinner, saved by grace...who still struggles mightily with my own flesh and desires. Not that the people I spoke of above are perfect and without sin...nobody is...but they are so much further along in their relationship with God Almighty that their sins are tiny in comparison. Generally, I believe, sins of omission...rather than commission. Impure thoughts from time to time...things of that nature. They hold themselves to a higher standard and in return are blessed to spend the overwhelming majority of their lives with the peace and joy that can only come from being right in the center of God's will for a man's life. Which differs from man to man.

Anyway...most people probably will not understand what I am speaking of. That's OK...I probably did a crappy job of saying what I intended to...and I know the scripture pertaining to these things and understand that many folks minds will not understand nor believe because their hearts are in no condition to receive the message anyway.

What I speak of is very real though. As real as the air that we breathe, as solid as the Earth on which we stand. God is so very real, Jesus Christ is a very real person...and Christianity at its core is not about religion...it is about a RELATIONSHIP. A relationship between men and a God who loves them. When a person is willing to completely deny himself and his own desires, and live his life 100% to please God...amazing things result. I have seen it. I have seen Gods power made manifest on Earth, and seen what He can and will do for those who love Him enough to live on Faith. I am not that good of a Christian honestly. At this point in my life I still wrestle with sin. Those of you who mock Christ and Christians are so very wrong though. We will all come to understand how very real the God of the Bible is...either in life or death. O hope that for all of us it is here in this life.
 
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let me also say this:

I think it is EXTREMELY foolish to ever call someone a fraudulent Christian, or attempt to judge someone else's relationship with God to be lacking. The spiritual condition of another person is absolutely unknowable. Only he and God could ever know that...and i think it is a very bad look trying to pass judgment on someone that you don't even know...especially that aspect of them.

Let's say for this example JF jr. Actually slept with his assistant. What if that is the only real sin in his life? What if he spends hours every day in prayer...and volunteers his free time every week selflessly helping people in his community in Gods name? What if he is by all accounts a great man, other than this mistake or flaw? Who are you, or we, to judge him? What sin do you have in YOUR LIFE? Do you lie, cheat, steal, fornicate, gossip, etc etc? Are you without sin and perfect somehow that it would put you in a place to make judgments as to other men's spiritual condition?

No. Of course not. I know that, because the Bible says so. Not 1 man who has ever lived, besides Christ, is without sin. We are told over and over again not to judge other people in this way...not to point out the splinter in our brothers eye...while we have a plank in our own eyes.

Why is it that people who claim not to believe in God are always the first ones tryinf to tear down Christians who they feel "aren't Christian enough"??? How would you ever know? How could you possibly know what goes on in this man's life?
 
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#75
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DinkinFlicka said:
Literally almost every single country offers that choice. Lol.

"OUR restaurant serves water!"
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There are plenty that don’t. Freedom of religion isn’t the only freedom either now is it? Are you one of the first in line to crap on this country?
 
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