Freedom of speech!

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hog88 said:
What about it?
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Do you think that let's say a Catholic priest should be able to go and either preach Catholic doctrine or talk to people about the Catholic religion as long as the people are willing to talk to him? What about openly protesting any subject on the public streets and parks?
 
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I think the gray area with FB and twitter and such is the government using it as a backdoor to restrict speech. Many of the moves those companies have made is because of pressure from the government. You see the same with content producers on various platforms. the government restricts the platforms ability to post disagreeable content. The government isn't going after the "free speech" part, they are going after the ability of that 3rd party to spread that free speech.

the government's ability to use "3rd" party enforcement to limit free speech is worrisome, and imo the government should not be able to dictate what can be distributed. Or at the least/worst give it a rating, so that people can know, i would just want it to be politically neutral.
 
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BigO95 said:
Do you think that let's say a Catholic priest should be able to go and either preach Catholic doctrine or talk to people about the Catholic religion as long as the people are willing to talk to him? What about openly protesting any subject on the public streets and parks?
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Yes, is there someone stopping that from happening now?
 
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OrangeTsar said:
The constitutional law history is pretty clear. Any non commercial speech that does not directly call for or incite violence is acceptable. The very fact Americans are even debating this right now is reprehensible. And the term „Hate speech“ has no basis in American jurisprudence whatsoever
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It is reprehensible but a lot of it is out of ignorance both sides. Countless times on here I have seen a positive er screech “ what about freedom of speech” when some company fires an employee for saying something stupid.
 
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LouderVol said:
I think the gray area with FB and twitter and such is the government using it as a backdoor to restrict speech. Many of the moves those companies have made is because of pressure from the government. You see the same with content producers on various platforms. the government restricts the platforms ability to post disagreeable content. The government isn't going after the "free speech" part, they are going after the ability of that 3rd party to spread that free speech.

the government's ability to use "3rd" party enforcement to limit free speech is worrisome, and imo the government should not be able to dictate what can be distributed. Or at the least/worst give it a rating, so that people can know, i would just want it to be politically neutral.
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Agreed
 
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hog88 said:
What are you getting at OP? Speech right up to the line of slander, liable or injuring someone or their property should always be free from .gov repercussions. AND before the smooth brains start with the "yell fire in a crowded theater" argument, you can't do that because it injures others either physically or monetarily.
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What do you make of the argument that those instances aren’t really limitations of “speech”, and are actually an issue of property rights?
 
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volfanhill said:
It is reprehensible but a lot of it is out of ignorance both sides. Countless times on here I have seen a positive er screech “ what about freedom of speech” when some company fires an employee for saying something stupid.
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It is normally pretty cut and dried, but at least since the Twitter files came out from Elon, it is becoming very clear that the government was heavily pressuring multiple private companies to regulate or silence speech with which they disagreed. That is NOT ok. Censorship by proxy is still censorship
 
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volfanhill said:
Agreed
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again the government works through some serious gray areas to get some roundabout shut downs in place.

They threaten the company that if they don't do X, the government will enact Y. The government doesn't have to actually pass a bill to do it. Its a lot what these hearings are about, brow beating the company into submission.

I have no problem with a platform shutting down some content. I have a problem with that company being encouraged by the government to act as the enforcement arm for things they legally can't do.
 
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LouderVol said:
again the government works through some serious gray areas to get some roundabout shut downs in place.

They threaten the company that if they don't do X, the government will enact Y. The government doesn't have to actually pass a bill to do it. Its a lot what these hearings are about, brow beating the company into submission.

I have no problem with a platform shutting down some content. I have a problem with that company being encouraged by the government to act as the enforcement arm for things they legally can't do.
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Also, you can make an argument that private companies that have established monopolies in their business spaces are operating as quasi governmental authorities. It is why utility companies have to abide by much more stringent rules than other private entities. I would posit that Twitter and Facebook do operate as near total monopolies in their business spaces
 
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hog88 said:
Yes, is there someone stopping that from happening now?
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I'm just looking for opinion..... And yes, sometimes police officers do try to stop it. I know that from personal experience.
 
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Daytona thinks they’ve figured out a way to violate citizen’s 1A rights. Lease a public park to a private entity to “manage” it. I’d like to see the city lose in court. This leaves the door open for abuse by the city.

 
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BigO95 said:
Do you think that let's say a Catholic priest should be able to go and either preach Catholic doctrine or talk to people about the Catholic religion as long as the people are willing to talk to him? What about openly protesting any subject on the public streets and parks?
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If they want to stand and have discussions with willing people then whatever.

But what about the loonies that hold a Bible in the air and scream that we’re all sinners and gonna burn at the top of their lungs in Market Square?
 
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865er said:
If they want to stand and have discussions with willing people then whatever.

But what about the loonies that hold a Bible in the air and scream that we’re all sinners and gonna burn at the top of their lungs in Market Square?
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I believe that is protected by the constitution wether or not you like or dislike the action or content.
 
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865er said:
If they want to stand and have discussions with willing people then whatever.

But what about the loonies that hold a Bible in the air and scream that we’re all sinners and gonna burn at the top of their lungs in Market Square?
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What about them? They should be able to do that without being accosted by the authorities.
 
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865er said:
If they want to stand and have discussions with willing people then whatever.

But what about the loonies that hold a Bible in the air and scream that we’re all sinners and gonna burn at the top of their lungs in Market Square?
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Buy them a drink to calm their nerves.
 
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BigO95 said:
That's exactly why we have a 1st amendment....
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The guy I’m referencing was literally screaming at people. Walking up to the families sitting at tables eating and yelling right at them. It was bizarre. The cops did end up showing up and removing him.
 
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It doesn't matter if you like it or not, as long as they aren't harassing people they have a God given right to preach what they believe the gospel to be.
People are welcome to agree or disagree agree all they please, and nobody is making them sit and listen to it.
 
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