Freeze and Dabo negative religious recruit UT

[mommasvol]

Mainly because there is no such thing as hell. It was a scare tactic to control people after they've grown up and are no longer a gullible kid with parents telling them what to do. It's called indoctrination. If money is the root of all evil, it's funny that churches have more of it than anyone. You'd think every single penny would be put back into the community but it's not. Why do you think popes used to be allowed to marry? There was never a rule against it originally. They added it so popes in the future wouldn't marry only to leave their wealth and prized gifts to their family when they pass. Now it goes back to the corrupt church that hides fleeing pedophiles.

Former priests have come out and how churches would blast the furnaces to make it nice and toasty as they scared people with their imaginary talks of hell. Anyone with a brain should come to the conclusion that if God is so loving and forgiving, burning someone for eternity would not only be the opposite of loving and forgiving but that God being almighty could have used his divine power to make them not awful people. I've also never figured out if God gave us free will to decide whether we go to heave/hell or if God has a plan for us all like so many religious followers like to spout. I guess God knowingly sent people to earth that were destined for hell. Nice God... would have been nicer if he didn't bring them in existence at all. Would have definitely been more compassionate than banishing them to hell for eternity.

Sucks for the people born into non-christian families and countries where christianity is practice by few. I guess a lot of muslims are going to hell by default for being born to the wrong family on the wrong side of the planet. Not that their actions and beliefs aren't hell worthy regardless of the fact they're not christian. If muslims truly follow their made up scripture, it leads them to killing non-believers. Christians on the other hand just threaten you. Isn't that what hell is? A threat.

If everyone was gullible enough to sit around waiting for the end of times and a prophet to appear, technology would be non-existent. Those same people would have had the mindset to burn people for being witches all because they produced technology they didn't understand. Sad that being dumb allows a cult.ure of people to blindly follow an imaginary entity with the threat of an imaginary hell as people are ripped off and used. Hell is nothing but a scare tactic to manipulate people. And if it's not, sounds like God is a pretty terrible whatever. Sending people to hell for eternity and smiting people. If that's the guy running heaven, maybe hell would be the better home. Would also explain why Lucifer wanted to put a stop to God killing people and torturing them permanently.

Dwindling In Unbelief: Who has killed more, Satan or God?

The Fool hath said in his heart there is no God/ Jesus said unto thee except a man be born again,he cannot see the kingdom of God you are blind and hell is real

 

[Vol'n'beers]

As an engineer, I tend to see the elegance of this as very non-random. Whispers "Creator", to those willing to listen.

I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but then you had to qualify your comment as that of an engineer. I, too, am an engineer, but realize that all of the aspects of the universe that were mentioned had billions (if not more) of years for all of the different variations to arrive at what we can detect now. There was no fine tuning only phasing out of what didn't prosper. The only thing it whispers is the magnificence of what we have learned and of the potential of the knowledge to be had.

 

[StoVol]

As an engineer, I tend to see the elegance of this as very non-random. Whispers "Creator", to those willing to listen.

Like 1 part in 10 ^120 non random. Nobody with any sense could believe that could be random. And that's only one amongst very many. Susskind, Hawking, Hoyle and many others have conceded this point. They've not hesitated to come up with theories to counter its implications however, all more far fetched than what is implied

 

[StoVol]

I wasn't going to comment on this thread, but then you had to qualify your comment as that of an engineer. I, too, am an engineer, but realize that all of the aspects of the universe that were mentioned had billions (if not more) of years for all of the different variations to arrive at what we can detect now. There was no fine tuning only phasing out of what didn't prosper. The only thing it whispers is the magnificence of what we have learned and of the potential of the knowledge to be had.

On the subject of life u have to explain the origin of information in a small window of a few million years. Not nearly enough time to come up with the smallest protein much less dna

The initial conditions were fine tuned so there were not billions of years to hit the lottery and search the available space of probabilities

 

[BruinVol]

No, he basically lost his whole senior year. He played in the two warmup games and was suspended for the OR game and never was allowed back. All over $1350 that he needed for his wife and baby. Meanwhile....

I thought it was later in the year so my mistake

The biggest thing here IMO is tenn compliance is a joke. To steal a line from trump, our compliance doesn't win anymore.
People have to remember that a majority of penalties are self imposed and if our people won't go to bat for our players and coaches then fire their ass

 

[BowlBrother85]

Wow just wow

Unreal the assumptions the sports world makes

I mean good grief our coach had self imposed penalties for waving to the crowd at a basketball game.

Breaking NCAA rules doesn't make anyone less of a Christ follower and in fact in many cases it might mean the opposite

Not if breaking those NCAA rules involved lying or an act of deception which is usually the case.

 

[BruinVol]

Mainly because there is no such thing as hell.

My prayer is simple.

I pray you don't find out if you are correct

 

[BruinVol]

Not if breaking those NCAA rules involved lying or an act of deception which is usually the case.

I would say 90% of NCAA don't involve lying or an act of deception.

Again see the rule cbj broke where he waved at the crowd at a basktball game. We self imposed penalties for that. Again wth is our compliance doing?

 

[77' Vol]

Main difference is that Mark Richt is extremely religious and "walked the walk"!

 

[Vol'n'beers]

On the subject of life u have to explain the origin of information in a small window of a few million years. Not nearly enough time to come up with the smallest protein much less dna

The initial conditions were fine tuned so there were not billions of years to hit the lottery and search the available space of probabilities

Actually, the latest ideas have life, as single cells on this planet go, to have originated in the 1-3 billion year range (depending on what you read). There are very reasonable explanations for what happened in the interim. One that I like is that during that period of planetary bombardment, some of this early life was dislodged from this planet and found its way back at a later time aboard the debris along with the water it needed to grow.

Hell, the oldest hominids have been around for a few million years. Life itself goes back much further. If I were you I'd take the book you're reading and throw it out the window.

I will say this, there is ample evidence to suggest that if there is a "creator" that that being is, in turn, the worst engineer/doctor/etc. that man has ever known.

 

[InVOLuntary]

I thought it was later in the year so my mistake

The biggest thing here IMO is tenn compliance is a joke. To steal a line from trump, our compliance doesn't win anymore.
People have to remember that a majority of penalties are self imposed and if our people won't go to bat for our players and coaches then fire their ass

Not disagreeing with that.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I would say 90% of NCAA don't involve lying or an act of deception.

Again see the rule cbj broke where he waved at the crowd at a basktball game. We self imposed penalties for that. Again wth is our compliance doing?

The Laremy Tunsil allegations most certainly do!

 

[InVOLuntary]

Actually, the latest ideas have life, as single cells on this planet go, to have originated in the 1-3 billion year range (depending on what you read). There are very reasonable explanations for what happened in the interim. One that I like is that during that period of planetary bombardment, some of this early life was dislodged from this planet and found its way back at a later time aboard the debris along with the water it needed to grow.

Hell, the oldest hominids have been around for a few million years. Life itself goes back much further. If I were you I'd take the book you're reading and throw it out the window.

I will say this, there is ample evidence to suggest that if there is a "creator" that that being is, in turn, the worst engineer/doctor/etc. that man has ever known.

Yet he created man. :loco:

 

[DeepPurpleFloyd]

Being a minister I will say without reservation, that more damage is done to the cause of Christ by proclaimed "Christians" using it as a vehicle for selfish gain, than anything else. They leave a slimy trail of broken faith, distrust and cynicism behind. Once someone's innocent faith has been broken, it is almost impossible to win them back.

From this article:
Ole Miss Waging an Ugly War with Religion - Maroon and White Nation - A Mississippi State Bulldogs Site - News, Blogs, Opinion, Rumors and More

"Apparently, before National Signing Day Hugh Freeze used the recruiting tactic of calling Dan Mullen an atheist to at least two prospects. This information comes from MSU football radio broadcaster Matt Wyatt on his ‘Head to Head’ radio show. Wyatt is a well-respected person with a credible history."

If that's not trying to use Christianity for your own gain, I don't know what is.

 

[Nashvegas31]

" don't worry about the KKK presence on our campus because TN has a real issue regarding players that aren't even on campus anymore ~~~~~ Hugh Freeze

 

[BruinVol]

The Laremy Tunsil allegations most certainly do!

Good grief so many here only see what they want to see


Seems much more reasonable to see a situation where Tunsil received improper benefits without the schools knowledge and then was punished severely for it when those facts came to light

Than

Believing a coach arranged improper benefits and then punished the kid in the Heart of a
Legit sec championship run.

 

[Vols4us]

Wasn't trying to imply anything about you or men of the church in general. Just pointing out that it's insanely easy for people to qualify for tax ememption even if they're obviously just duping gullible people out of their hard earned money, so there's a pretty obvious incentive for charismatic people to do so.

You mean kind of like the Clinton Foundation, since you want to go there with tax exemptions.

There are excessed in everything. The difference is God does not compartmentalize the sin (mistakes for the non-believer) like we do.

 

[Vol'n'beers]

Yet he created man. :loco:

And cancer apparently. And Zika virus, polio, scurvy, lupus, etc. We have extremely delicate systems that easily fail. The earth itself will kill us given any opportunity. And we have plans (dna) that are often flawed and result in a whole host of other problems. For some reason we must eat through the same part of our bodies that we breathe. That's just dumb. So, if your statement above is correct, then my statement about being a lousy creator is also true.

 

[Vol til' I Fall]

Swain this morning saying that all schools that recruit against Vols are using the Title Nine lawsuit story against us.
Saying that Hugh Freeze and Dabo Swinney, who heavily emphasize religion in their recruiting, will really jump on Vols about not having a Christian family values culture like Ole Miss and Clemson have.

So if other coaches are using the Title IX lawsuit against UT, isn't that like saying "hey if you sexually assault someone, you'd rather be here than UT."? I'm confused on how that would help recruiting, but what do I know?

 

[InVOLuntary]

And cancer apparently. And Zika virus, polio, scurvy, lupus, etc. We have extremely delicate systems that easily fail. The earth itself will kill us given any opportunity. And we have plans (dna) that are often flawed and result in a whole host of other problems. For some reason we must eat through the same part of our bodies that we breathe. That's just dumb. So, if your statement above is correct, then my statement about being a lousy creator is also true.

Nobody is in here shoving religion down your throat. Ever thought about respecting other's beliefs? Or as an atheist you don't believe there are consequences for your actions so you think it's OK to be a rude and offensive jerk?

 

[Vols4us]

Actually, the latest ideas have life, as single cells on this planet go, to have originated in the 1-3 billion year range (depending on what you read). There are very reasonable explanations for what happened in the interim. One that I like is that during that period of planetary bombardment, some of this early life was dislodged from this planet and found its way back at a later time aboard the debris along with the water it needed to grow.

Hell, the oldest hominids have been around for a few million years. Life itself goes back much further. If I were you I'd take the book you're reading and throw it out the window.

I will say this, there is ample evidence to suggest that if there is a "creator" that that being is, in turn, the worst engineer/doctor/etc. that man has ever known.

Instead of absolute proven truth? Idea, theory, observation = facts? Or do we ignore or disclaim the truth all around us?

You realize you are using other people's theories as your facts? Even carbon dating is a flawed theory that is in itself disproved by the very topic of today's news - gravitational waves that exist from events in space; with those waves degenerating over time.

 

[BruinVol]

So if other coaches are using the Title IX lawsuit against UT, isn't that like saying "hey if you sexually assault someone, you'd rather be here than UT."? I'm confused on how that would help recruiting, but what do I know?

Smh at this take

 

[Vol'n'beers]

Nobody is in here shoving religion down your throat. Ever thought about respecting other's beliefs? Or as an atheist you don't believe there are consequences for your actions so you think it's OK to be a rude and offensive jerk?

I apologize if I was offensive to you. My intent was to address some information that was passed of as fact. As I mentioned the use of the engineer title as confirmation of said information struck a chord. The rest of it was, again the intent, lively banter. I don't believe anyone on here could shove religion down my throat as I have access to the little X in the sky (actually upper right corner). As a human with memory and cognitive abilities I understand the phenomenon of action and consequence though the latter is sometimes difficult to predict. I apologize again for any offense that was taken though I do reserve the right to make the same points in the future, all of which can be googled.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Good grief so many here only see what they want to see


Seems much more reasonable to see a situation where Tunsil received improper benefits without the schools knowledge and then was punished severely for it when those facts came to light

Than

Believing a coach arranged improper benefits and then punished the kid in the Heart of a
Legit sec championship run.

LOL! To a VERY naive person perhaps.

I don't believe that Freeze arranged anything or that there will be any trail to leading to him (Ole Miss is too smart for that) but I also don't believe that he wasn't well aware of those improper benefits. This is where we will see if the NCAA applies 'lack of coach control' with consistency. Ignorance is not an excuse. It's his job to know if his players are receiving improper benefits from boosters or 'friends of the program'.

 

[BruinVol]

LOL! To a VERY naive person perhaps.

I don't believe that Freeze arranged anything or that there will be any trail to leading to him (Ole Miss is too smart for that) but I also don't believe that he wasn't well aware of those improper benefits. This is where we will see if the NCAA applies 'lack of coach control' with consistency. Ignorance is not an excuse. It's his job to know if his players are receiving improper benefits from boosters or 'friends of the program'.

Your forgetting one huge part of this.

The kid was punished well over half the season with a suspension

If he wasn't punished I would agree with you