Freshman Arrested for DUI

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Well, it looks like Smith has been dismissed from the team. Just released on sportstalk in a statement from CFP. Tough road ahead for that kid. But, he had trouble over his head and should have made better decisions than to be out drunk, underage, driving, and driving poorly at that. Call him a scape goat, patsy, what you will. But one think you must call him now is GONE.
 
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Also read on another board that Johnson received a four game suspension. Thought the school was going to wait on his announcement.

 
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(Arclight @ Aug 2 said:
Also read on another board that Johnson received a four game suspension. Thought the school was going to wait on his announcement.

I am wondering exactly what kind of punishment that is. Was Marsalous going to see a lot of playing time in those first 4 games? I do not believe so.
 
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College athletes are treated differently than non-college athletes. I saw the proof in Spanish 101. I won't name the star football player in my Spanish class, but he "got it real easy." He came in the first day of classes, learned how to say "Hola", and what it meant, then disappeared for the rest of the semester until the final exam. When he came in for the final exam, the instructor said, "Hola!", and this star athlete said, "Huh??"

After I graduated, my intelligent girlfriend at the time, was helping grade English papers for one of her professors. You would not believe some of the "you should have learned that before 1st grade" errors we came across on some of the athlete's essays.

One stands out in particular. A star athlete turned in an essay on "Animal Rights' Issues", and wrote an essay worthy of a Nobel prize. We didn't even know what some of the words he used meant. The essay was supposed to be atleast 5 pages long. After 4 pages of reading this scholary piece of work, the athlete wrote with a pen, "Sorry it ain't 5 pages. My computer broken." That's when I started questioning Bensel-Meyers, or whatever her name was. She may have well been exactly right in her accusations, but we as fans didn't want to hear that. She was painted as "evil" and was "let go."

I also always wondered why some of our players were driving $70,000 Mercedes' and other vehicles when they were still in school. Supposedly, most of them didn't come from wealthy families, but some of them did. I can see why Peyton Manning was driving one of the very first Ford Expedition's ever made.

It's just what an 18 year old needs. To be "splattered" with adoration, praise, and fame at an early age.

That's just how it's been for a while.


They're "full of themselves." ( Not all of them, but most of them.)

But if they make it to the NFL, they get even more slack. I've never heard of anyone ever killing a mother of young kids while driving drunk, spending less time behind bars as an NFL player.



It's not fair, but that's how it is.
 
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(bigdaddy @ Aug 2 said:
Well, it looks like Smith has been dismissed from the team. Just released on sportstalk in a statement from CFP. Tough road ahead for that kid. But, he had trouble over his head and should have made better decisions than to be out drunk, underage, driving, and driving poorly at that. Call him a scape goat, patsy, what you will. But one think you must call him now is GONE.


Do we still have a Colquitt as one of our punters?

I could have sworn............ :banghead:
 
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(therickbol @ Aug 2 said:
People like lawgator think that the best thing for an 18-19 year old kid who does something stupid and immature is to be kicked out on their butt, education stripped away, and left to fend for themselves for these mistakes. I cant think of a better process for the kid growing than that, can you? Oh, well, there is the other possiblity of showing the kid tough love by punishing them, letting them know you dont expect this behavior to continue, and monitoring his behavior from that point on.


No. Pointing a gun at someone, fake or not, in an effort to intimidate them on the road is in my opinion a whole lot more than immature and stupid. It is criminal and evil and it is not a victimless crime.

 
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From the Knoxville News:

Fulmer boots Smith from Vols

University of Tennessee football coach Phillip Fulmer today dismissed freshman signee Joseph Lee Smith after his arrest on drunken driving. The 18-year-old Powell High School tight end is the focus of a Knox County Schools investigation into grade tampering and an inappropriate relationship with an assistant female principal.



UT suspends Johnson for first four games

A University of Tennessee football player accused of pointing a black plastic toy Uzi at an off-duty law enforcement officer Sunday night was suspended today for the first four games of the season.

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In Johnson's incident now it's a plastic Uzi??? Thought it was a pellet gun.




 
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Out of curiosity, anyone else see the respective punishments as disproportionate?

Smith's crime inured no one, though it had the potential to. Same with Marselous. Smith isn't convicted, neither is Marselous. Smith's crime is voluntary intoxication -- as those things go. But the other guy deliberately chose a criminal act. In my mind, the latter is worse than the former.

 
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More Re Johnson:

"will be required to move back into the dorm and return his car to his home as well as performing 50 hours of community service. His practice status on the team will be as a member of the scout team."

"Any reinstatement of Marsalous depends on his attitude and demonstration of accountability. "
 
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(lawgator1 @ Aug 2 said:
Out of curiosity, anyone else see the respective punishments as disproportionate?

Smith's crime inured no one, though it had the potential to. Same with Marselous. Smith isn't convicted, neither is Marselous. Smith's crime is voluntary intoxication -- as those things go. But the other guy deliberately chose a criminal act. In my mind, the latter is worse than the former.

Smith's crime is DUI. So you're saying that DUI isn't a deliberate act? He was parked/driving on the sidewalk on campus. I know where you're going but you took it just a little too lightly.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Aug 2 said:
Out of curiosity, anyone else see the respective punishments as disproportionate?

Smith's crime inured no one, though it had the potential to. Same with Marselous. Smith isn't convicted, neither is Marselous. Smith's crime is voluntary intoxication -- as those things go. But the other guy deliberately chose a criminal act. In my mind, the latter is worse than the former.
Marselous was not already being investigated for issues involving grade manipulation and innappropriate relations with a teacher(Smith is). Smith was on the hot seat with the coaches. I can't compare crimes, but I condiser DUI more dangerous than AA, thus a stroger punishment.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Aug 2 said:
It would be an honor to cross paths with you, Crimedawg. My father was a Sheriff's Deputy. It's not the veteran law enforcement officers I take issue with. It's the overofficious, bigoted halfwits that are too often given badges now that I have little respect or use for.
That is why I wanted to wait on the outcome of the Johnson incident. I see more of that attitude in these days and can see it happening. They are still in the minority and I still believe in law enforcement as a whole, but to alot of these new guys its just a job! My god! I'm a fossil at 41! I guess there is good and bad in all professions. Its just magnified when its law enforcement and it cast a shadow on us all! Not to say that this deputy did anything wrong but the public can question and so can I.
 
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(bigdaddy @ Aug 2 said:
Marselous was not already being investigated for issues involving grade manipulation and innappropriate relations with a teacher(Smith is). Smith was on the hot seat with the coaches. I can't compare crimes, but I condiser DUI more dangerous than AA, thus a stroger punishment.

I do not believe I would go that far. Aggravated assault always involves a victim. DUI's rarely involve a victim.
 
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(therealUT @ Aug 2 said:
I do not believe I would go that far. Aggravated assault always involves a victim. DUI's rarely involve a victim.
I would argue that neiter does AA. And that the alcohol related car accidents occur every 36 minutes in the state of TN alone. I see that in the ED frequently. Everyday in fact. I have never seen anyone in a full body cast from someone yelling and cusing at one another or even pointing guns at one another.
 
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(bigdaddy @ Aug 2 said:
I would argue that neiter does AA. And that the alcohol related car accidents occur every 36 minutes in the state of TN alone. I see that in the ED frequently. Everyday in fact. I have never seen anyone in a full body cast from someone yelling and cusing at one another or even pointing guns at one another.

Apparently you have note educated yourself on the definition of aggravated assault.
Aggravated assault can include, among other things, assault with a deadly weapon, or assault with intent to rape, maim or murder. It is considered much more serious than simple assault.

Also, you see people in body casts directly due to an automobile accident, indirectly caused by drinking and driving. I could definitely foresee situations in which someone is killed, indirectly spurned by a threat with a toy weapon. Was the Florida case involving the police shooting referenced earlier in this post?
 
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(Jasongivm6 @ Aug 2 said:
One stands out in particular. A star athlete turned in an essay on "Animal Rights' Issues", and wrote an essay worthy of a Nobel prize. We didn't even know what some of the words he used meant. The essay was supposed to be atleast 5 pages long. After 4 pages of reading this scholary piece of work, the athlete wrote with a pen, "Sorry it ain't 5 pages. My computer broken."

:eek:lol:
 
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Smith's crime inured no one, though it had the potential to
DUI is just as reprehensible as the waving the gun incident, stupidity in a car not only puts the offender at risk but everyone else on the highway at that point in time. If Johnson did it bounce him. DUI conviction bounce him. A drunk behind the wheel is just as dangerous as someone with a gun, maybe just not as obvious.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Aug 2 said:
Out of curiosity, anyone else see the respective punishments as disproportionate?

Smith's crime inured no one, though it had the potential to. Same with Marselous. Smith isn't convicted, neither is Marselous. Smith's crime is voluntary intoxication -- as those things go. But the other guy deliberately chose a criminal act. In my mind, the latter is worse than the former.

Wow, it is at this point that I certainly have to just say we "agree to disagree" because I cant fathom you thinking pointing a toy guy at somebody is worse than a DUI. Do you know how many innocent people are killed every year by drunk drivers? Let me know if your research reveals any instances where someone pointed a fake gun at another vehicle and it resulted in an innocent death.

Agree to disagree....
 
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(therickbol @ Aug 2 said:
Do you know how many innocent people are killed every year by drunk drivers?

No, but alcohol-related traffic fatalities in the US have averaged about 17,000 per year for the past decade or so. To put that number in perspective: that's two EVERY HOUR.

 

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