Freshman Arrested for DUI

[volfan2024]

I enjoy it when two attorneys are dueling it out.I fill as though I'm in a court house.

 

[OWB]

I enjoy it when two attorneys are dueling it out.I fill as though I'm in a court house.

You're the only one.

 

[lawgator1]

First, the specific individual works for the TWRA. That is ipso facto evidence he is a tool. I'm not sure I've ever met anyone who has had dealings with that agency who would disagree. I've already referenced the dog shooting incident. There was also a study, I think by either the Office of Civil Rights or the NTSB, that placed Putnam County near the top of the list of Tennessee counties for disproportionate traffic stops for minorities.

Why is working for the TWRA evidence of being "a tool"? How many people work there? A bunch I would guess. Are they all tools? Gosh, that's bad luck to have so many located in one central place.

How many people have you met that had dealings with that agency? More importantly, as I suppose their job is to go around and enforce environmentla laws or protect wildlife in a state with a zillion hunters in it, my suspicion is they don't make a lot of friends.

A deputy shot a dog. That sucks. Wonder why? Guess we can readily conclude that all deputies in that jurisdiction are evil. Hey, did he work for the same agency even? That would make him an evil tool, which is worse than just your general tool, I suppose.

Putnam County disproportinately stops minorities? According to who again? Now, this is something I actually know a little bit about in my work. The statistical proof required to prove racial profiling claims is VERY demanding. One cannot just say that they took a snapshot of trafic stops and the percentage of people stopped that were black is 32 percent whereas they make up only 25 percent of the population, and thereby conclude there is racial profiling.

You have to compare apples to apples. For example, you have to consider the location of the stops and the reasons cited, you have to compare it over time, you have to account for multiple stops of the same person, you have to evaluate whether the number of people driving in an area of heavy police presence has a greater proportion of minorities, etc., etc. It is a VERY complicated thing. And these outfits that just go out and count for a few weeks and tally it up -- with no controls for the myriad factors that go into it -- are doing more harm than good.

And besides which, I think the statistics you are citing to relate to deputy sheriffs, not to wildlife officers. They don't initiate that many traffic stops, I imagine. At least not relative to the general sheriff. Do you have any relating to the TWRA?

 

[hatvol96]

Why is working for the TWRA evidence of being "a tool"? How many people work there? A bunch I would guess. Are they all tools? Gosh, that's bad luck to have so many located in one central place.

How many people have you met that had dealings with that agency? More importantly, as I suppose their job is to go around and enforce environmentla laws or protect wildlife in a state with a zillion hunters in it, my suspicion is they don't make a lot of friends.

A deputy shot a dog. That sucks. Wonder why? Guess we can readily conclude that all deputies in that jurisdiction are evil. Hey, did he work for the same agency even? That would make him an evil tool, which is worse than just your general tool, I suppose.

Putnam County disproportinately stops minorities? According to who again? Now, this is something I actually know a little bit about in my work. The statistical proof required to prove racial profiling claims is VERY demanding. One cannot just say that they took a snapshot of trafic stops and the percentage of people stopped that were black is 32 percent whereas they make up only 25 percent of the population, and thereby conclude there is racial profiling.

You have to compare apples to apples. For example, you have to consider the location of the stops and the reasons cited, you have to compare it over time, you have to account for multiple stops of the same person, you have to evaluate whether the number of people driving in an area of heavy police presence has a greater proportion of minorities, etc., etc. It is a VERY complicated thing. And these outfits that just go out and count for a few weeks and tally it up -- with no controls for the myriad factors that go into it -- are doing more harm than good.

And besides which, I think the statistics you are citing to relate to deputy sheriffs, not to wildlife officers. They don't initiate that many traffic stops, I imagine. At least not relative to the general sheriff. Do you have any relating to the TWRA?

If memory serves me correct, the survey I referenced collected data over a 2 or 3 year period.Given that I grew up in a county that has a large lake, I would say that the majority of people I know have run across the jack booted goofs from TWRA at one time or another. I can't remember anyone ever saying they were anything other than unprofessional, ill prepared, and overofficious goons.

 

[Jasongivm6]

I want to know why the dog got shot. As a pet owner and dog lover myself, I want to hear about this "dog shooting" story. I don't think I've heard the details about it. I'm sure it will upset me, though.

Yes, if it is a bad story, I will probably be biased in my opinion about the person who shot the dog.

 

[lawgator1]

I want to know why the dog got shot. As a pet owner and dog lover myself, I want to hear about this "dog shooting" story. I don't think I've heard the details about it. I'm sure it will upset me, though.

Yes, if it is a bad story, I will probably be biased in my opinion about the person who shot the dog.

I don't think they are one in the same (the guy who shot the dog versus the guy who stopped Johnson). At least, no one has said it is the same guy.

 

[orangetd88]

I want to know why the dog got shot. As a pet owner and dog lover myself, I want to hear about this "dog shooting" story. I don't think I've heard the details about it. I'm sure it will upset me, though.

Yes, if it is a bad story, I will probably be biased in my opinion about the person who shot the dog.

The dog just jumped out of the car, and ran towards the owners and the cop.

That was bascially it.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

6 pages of this?

 

[therickbol]

So, as a 19 year old, you need someone to warn you ahead of time not to drive around with a pellet gun in your car and not to threaten other drivers with said gun? You should really read the "Message to Garcia" post and learn a little something about personal responsibility and accountability.

Would you please stop putting words in peoples mouth/post? I said he had to be warned "about threatening other drivers with a pellet gun" where exactly? I said he had been warned about having one in his possesion. As far as I know that is not a crime, or is it? Maybe I dont know as much about the law as you. My reference was that the coach had already told them that something normal and completely legal (possesion of a pellet gun, my nephew has one for goodness sakes) was cause for concern. If my head coach told me that I would have gone out of my way to make sure I did not have a pellet gun in my possesion at any time. That is my point. Had to be warned about threatening other drivers???? Please stop making stuff up to provide a launching board for your arguments.

 

[orange+white=heaven]

Well, it started out with some substance.... :dunno:

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Its amazing. Below are the headlines for the day on the College page for ESPN:

ESPNEWS HEADLINES
• Sources: Auburn sits Blackmon, Sears for 3 games
• Former Volunteers QB Schaeffer eligible at Ole Miss
• Volunteers dismiss one football player, suspend another
• Moss, Moore among suspended Canes for FSU game
• Report: Son of Bonds' surgeon flunked USC steroid test
• NCAA won't bend rules, so LSU stops yoglates
• Air Force suspends kicker Harrison indefinitely
• Marijuana issue last straw as Utah St. dismisses Davis

All are player screw ups. Except for Schaeffer who screwed up to get out of UT and almost didn't make it to Ole Miss.

 

[lawgator1]

6 pages of this?

Well, it started out as a news report. But what has happened since is a broiling philosophical debate between what you might call a law and order crowd on the one hand and a more anti-establishment bunch on the other. The former, the latter would say, are all too ready to believe one party over another just because he has a badge. The latter, the former would say, make irresponsible generalizations and accusations based on anecdotal information so as to justify looking the other way when one of their players commits a heinous crime.

That's pretty much it.

Oh, and somewhere in there it seems to have come down to a dog getting shot.

 

[therickbol]

Well, it started out as a news report. But what has happened since is a broiling philosophical debate between what you might call a law and order crowd on the one hand and a more anti-establishment bunch on the other. The former, the latter would say, are all too ready to believe one party over another just because he has a badge. The latter, the former would say, make irresponsible generalizations and accusations based on anecdotal information so as to justify looking the other way when one of their players commits a heinous crime.

That's pretty much it.

Oh, and somewhere in there it seems to have come down to a dog getting shot.

Haha. We disagree on which is worse, a fake gun or a DUI, but we both agree that was a funny post. Well done.

 

[lawgator1]

Haha. We disagree on which is worse, a fake gun or a DUI, but we both agree that was a funny post. Well done.

Thank you, sir. I aim to please.

 

[tidwell]

• Report: Son of Bonds' surgeon flunked USC steroid test

:wacko: :crazy:

 

[LadyinOrange]

Don't misunderstand. I did not mean to say that DUI is not serious. I certainly did not mean to imply that it wasn't dangerous.

What I meant was, as far as that kernel of evil intent is concerned, I put waiving a gun (real or toy) at someone driving a car ahead of that. I'm talking purely about the subjective intent issue.

A DUI driver is more likely to hurt someone than a guy waiving a toy gun around, I agree. But while the former is reckless to the degree of criminality and can cause more harm, the former is, solely from an intent point of view, worse.

For shame. :nono:

 

[KentheOrange]

Throwing a player off the team is easy. All the fugazi disciplinarians will praise you. Sticking with a kid through tough times and ignoring the media and fan blather requires real strength.

It appears that Fulmer will do exactly that if he thinks the player can mature and be a responsible person. You do remember Jason Respert don't you?