Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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hatvol96 said:
Exactly. Battle inherited a program on the cusp of greatness and turned it into the trash heap Majors had to clean up.
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I think what we did to Majors was W R O N G. I think Fulmer believes that the situation could happen to him like HE did to Majors.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Exactly. Battle inherited a program on the cusp of greatness and turned it into the trash heap Majors had to clean up.
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QFT

peaygolf89 said:
one of those years was an unofficial tie since UF was on probation! Majors (God love him) is nothing compared to Fulmer! Dang....Battle did a better job than Majors!

EDIT.... I think it was 1989 or 1990 as the tie?
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1989 was a three-way tie w/ Bama & Auburn. The Sugar Bowl picked Bama for the bowl game.

If some posters insist on using fuzzy math, I will count ties.
 
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Dawson said:
I think what we did to Majors was W R O N G. I think Fulmer believes that the situation could happen to him like HE did to Majors.
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what happen to John Major was his own fault not Fulmer's....too much Johnny Walker Red
 
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WillisWG said:
what happen to John Major was his own fault not Fulmer's....too much Johnny Walker Red
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Didnt know that the former UK Prime Minister had anything to do with Fulmer. And that he drank Johnny Walker Red for that matter.
 
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WillisWG said:
You're right. Was just trying to get away from this old stale topic over Fulmer
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It's an interesting question. In '85 we wouldn't have even won the SEC East except for Florida's probation. In '89 we shared it with Alabama and Auburn, and our lone loss was to the Alabama team that we would have faced in the championship game. In '90 we would have faced an Auburn team that we tied due to Greg Burke gagging on a 35 yard FG attempt.

The other consideration is that it was a completely different format since there were only 10 teams and we played only 6 conference games rather than 8. More than 1 season was rescued by our traditional November finish of Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy.
 
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GAVol said:
It's an interesting question. In '85 we wouldn't have even won the SEC East except for Florida's probation. In '89 we shared it with Alabama and Auburn, and our lone loss was to the Alabama team that we would have faced in the championship game. In '90 we would have faced an Auburn team that we tied due to Greg Burke gagging on a 35 yard FG attempt.

The other consideration is that it was a completely different format since there were only 10 teams and we played only 6 conference games rather than 8. More than 1 season was rescued by our traditional November finish of Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy.
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In '89 we would have played Auburn again. Auburn beat Alabama and would have won the SECW based on head-to-head.
 
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WillisWG said:
If there had been a SECCG for these years would we have these titles?
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Very good question. Winning the SEC back then was akin to winning the Big 10 now. Really, we would have won the opportunity to play in the SEC CG by today's rules. Whether we won that or not, I don't know.

The '85 team had a lot of spunk. I have to think they could have pulled it off, but based on the season results alone, I would have said the same thing about the '01 team. Thus, those two are equals.

The '04 season balances the other season that wasn't a 3-way tie. And '07 matches up with the 3-way tie year.

That leaves Fulmer with 2 undisputed SEC championships and 3 to match the earlier ones that really could have been lost in the SEC CG if it had existed.

Majors brought a much needed national spotlight to the Vols, but it's true that he drank away his job. He should just admit that and get this behind the program. Majors should be remembered for his contributions to Vols. Retire his jersey. He's earned it!
 
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GAVol said:
It's an interesting question. In '85 we wouldn't have even won the SEC East except for Florida's probation. In '89 we shared it with Alabama and Auburn, and our lone loss was to the Alabama team that we would have faced in the championship game. In '90 we would have faced an Auburn team that we tied due to Greg Burke gagging on a 35 yard FG attempt.

The other consideration is that it was a completely different format since there were only 10 teams and we played only 6 conference games rather than 8. More than 1 season was rescued by our traditional November finish of Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy.
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There's little question that under the old system everyone would hail Fulmer as king of the SEC. The division split and SECCG has been tough on the man.
 
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GAVol said:
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More than 1 season was rescued by our traditional November finish of Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy.
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Amen to that. The last two are a common thread across all the coaches in question.

Before Neyland, I think even Vandy used to beat us.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
There's little question that under the old system everyone would hail Fulmer as king of the SEC. The division split and SECCG has been tough on the man.
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Consistently having to win nail-biters against the likes of South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vandy would be hard on anybody.
 
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utmba93 said:
The '85 team had a lot of spunk. I have to think they could have pulled it off, but based on the season results alone, I would have said the same thing about the '01 team. Thus, those two are equals.
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Agree 85 team was a special one...a recruit class that did not lose to Bama.
 
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Chemvol said:
Consistently having to win nail-biters against the likes of South Carolina, Kentucky, and Vandy would be hard on anybody.
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I also tend to think that getting blown out by your two arch rivals, having 5-6 seasons and having your team quit on you on more than one occasion brings more heat on Fulmer than having a championship game put in place.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
There's little question that under the old system everyone would hail Fulmer as king of the SEC. The division split and SECCG has been tough on the man.
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No, getting his a$$ handed to him on a regular basis by Spurrier for the majority of the '90s would preclude any coronation.
 
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