Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

Status
Not open for further replies.
#626
#626
Ole Dad said:
hman you are one of the best posters on this site but dont you agree we are somewhat spoiled as fans.
Click to expand...
Sure, Vol fans are spoiled but shouldn't we be? Personally I'm not much of a "I'm better than you" kind of guy but Volunteer fans are used to being in the SEC title race. Tennessee has as much tradition as any school in the SEC and deserves the expectation of our fans of excellence. Florida, Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Auburn and a few others expect nothing less than an SEC title every now and then so why shouldn't we? Appearing in the title game in Atlanta is great but not winning gets old after a while.
 
#629
#629
Ole Dad said:
Before Fulmer 8 and 3 was a good year.
Click to expand...
That's just not true. As bad as it makes me puke to say this, look at Doug Dickey's record once he got his recruits in and what Halfwit Battle did until Dickey's players were all gone. 8-3 should be an off year at UT. Period.
 
#632
#632
Rasputin_Vol said:
Can you blame a team that gets deflated after the fumble return for a touchdown?
Click to expand...
didn't really hurt UF that we had a pick 6 shortly before. In fact, if I recall, they recovered nicely to beat us 59-20 after we absolutely quit in the 3rd quarter.
 
#633
#633
BigPapaVol said:
It wasn't so much the score of that game as it was the fact that we absolutely quit in the 3rd quarter, after having similarly quit a couple weeks prior in Berkeley. The foul stench of quitting was rough enough, but was absolutely overwhelmed by the disaster in Tuscaloosa, which also involved a capitulation late.
Click to expand...


This is spot on, it's exactly how I felt about it..... the topper for me was the fact that the defensive staff and players allowed JPW and DJ Hall to play pitch and catch for 4 quarters with not even an inkling of an effort to stop them......quite possibly the most disgusted I've ever been at a BIG ORANGE football game.
 
#637
#637
hatvol96 said:
That's just not true. As bad as it makes me puke to say this, look at Doug Dickey's record once he got his recruits in and what Halfwit Battle did until Dickey's players were all gone. 8-3 should be an off year at UT. Period.
Click to expand...

Dickey was a good coach. Battle destroyed everything Dickey had done. Majors started the rebuilding process (including bringing national attention to the Vols program). Fulmer finished it (and then some... by taking us to the 'next level' as he used to put it).
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#638
#638
I don't know that you can call what Fulmer did "rebuilding" since we were winning 9-11 games per year when he took over. Fulmer definitely pushed us to the elite status that Majors never could quite achieve, but Majors did all the heavy lifting in restoring the program.
 
#639
#639
GAVol said:
I don't know that you can call what Fulmer did "rebuilding" since we were winning 9-11 games per year when he took over. Fulmer definitely pushed us to the elite status that Majors never could quite achieve, but Majors did all the heavy lifting in restoring the program.
Click to expand...
Unfortunately, Fulmer has also been the one to usher it right back out of elite status, even South of where Majors left it.
 
#640
#640
BigPapaVol said:
Unfortunately, Fulmer has also been the one to usher it right back out of elite status, even South of where Majors left it.
Click to expand...
I don't think that is really true either. The past couple of years have looked a lot like the 1990-1992 teams.
 
#641
#641
BigPapaVol said:
Unfortunately, Fulmer has also been the one to usher it right back out of elite status, even South of where Majors left it.
Click to expand...

It's south of the elite status to which Fulmer took the program, but I wouldn't say south of where Majors left it. The past few seasons feel more like where we were before Fulmer started.

This season has a lot to do with clarifying that outcome though. This needs to be a good one and it falls in one helluva year versus the competition, but that is the reality as I see it.
 
#642
#642
GAVol said:
I don't know that you can call what Fulmer did "rebuilding" since we were winning 9-11 games per year when he took over. Fulmer definitely pushed us to the elite status that Majors never could quite achieve, but Majors did all the heavy lifting in restoring the program.
Click to expand...

Agree. I didn't mean to imply that Fulmer was rebuidling anything, just advancing it.

Majors did an enormous amount of heavy lifting. The fanfare concerning his return to UT after he won the NC at Pitt was the most positive national media attention I can remember. That, of course, carried over to the team--and when we beat the Canes in 1985, the Vols officially arrived on the national scene. Majors just didn't get us from there to the the NC, whereas Fulmer did.
 
#643
#643
GAVol said:
I think it's fair to criticize for not winning the conference title, but us getting to the SECCG is not exactly a blind squirrel event given how many times it's happened.
Click to expand...

I agree, but there is a difference between "powering" to the SECCG and "coasting" to it. Granted, either way we made it but I prefer powering to it.
 
#645
#645
dobre_shunka said:
How do you figure that when Tennessee won the SEC in 1990?
Click to expand...
True . . . but that was prior to the start of division play so you can't really compare titles. Plus, that team only went 9-2-2 including a bad tie to Auburn and a horrible loss to Alabama.
 
#647
#647
The 1992 season was the great year during which we Vols fans saw that Fulmer was a better field coach than was Majors. CPF won these three games:

Sept. 5 Southwestern La. N Knoxville 22/-- 38-3 W
Sept. 12 Georgia Athens ABC 20/14 34-31 W
Sept. 19 Florida Knoxville ABC 14/4 31-14 W

Majors returned to do give us this:
Sept. 26 Cincinnati (HC) Knoxville PPV 8/-- 40-0 W
Oct. 3 LSU N Baton Rouge ESPN 7/-- 20-0 W
Oct. 10 Arkansas Knoxville JP 4/-- 24-25 L
Oct. 17 Alabama Knoxville ABC 13/4 10-17 L
Oct. 31 South Carolina Columbia JP 16/-- 23-24 L Nov. 14 Memphis State Memphis PPV 23/-- 26-21 W
Nov. 21 Kentucky Knoxville 20/-- 34-13 W
Nov. 28 Vanderbilt Nashville PPV 18/-- 29-25 W

That was Majors 7th straight loss to Bama (his 1985 team was the last team to have beaten the Tide). What would NegaVols be saying if we had lost 7 straight to bama (that would be like losing 4 more straight to Florida)? It was obvious that change was needed and a proven replacement was 'in hand.'

Beyond the on-the-field issues, while a bit tipsy from drinking, Majors had some 'rumored' quarrels with important UT stakeholders.

A failure to give the job to Fulmer at that stage would have been gross negligence on the part of the UT AD. It was a good decision.
 
#648
#648
I've posted it before and I'll post it again. The decision to switch coaches in 1992 had very little to do with wins and losses, although it never helped Majors that he lost to Alabama a lot.
 
#649
#649
GAVol said:
I've posted it before and I'll post it again. The decision to switch coaches in 1992 had very little to do with wins and losses, although it never helped Majors that he lost to Alabama a lot.
Click to expand...

Whiskey?
 
#650
#650
GAVol said:
I've posted it before and I'll post it again. The decision to switch coaches in 1992 had very little to do with wins and losses, although it never helped Majors that he lost to Alabama a lot.
Click to expand...


It wasn't all about wins and losses but the 2 losses to the SEC newcomers Arky and SC both of which stunk, didn't help his cause.
 
New posts
Status
Not open for further replies.

VN Store



Back
Top