Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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Sudeepvol said:
this is hilarious, I just keep reading the same comments over and over.
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That's what is so great about this thread. You don't have to read all the posts to catch up. You already know what they are.
 
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oklavol said:
Wins per coach
Neyland 173
Fulmer 147

Fulmer needs 27 wins to pass Neyland.
That's 3, 9 win seasons. Unless Tennessee has another losing season Fulmer isn't going anywhere.

In 3 or 4 years he will probably retire at 60 or 61 after breaking the record. Then some new blood take over the program. Hamilton isn't going to make a move IMO.
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There was some talk that Hamilton had mention not only the record, but maybe allowing Fulmer to stay around for 200 wins. Apparently, it was said during the interview he had on the Sports Animal earlier this week. :no:
 
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utmba93 said:
It's good to see this positive side of you Ras!

It was the determination that the team showed after the Alabama game in coming back from what looked like the living dead to win their way into the championship game for which they deserve some credit. The heart-to-heart talk between the staff and the players that followed the bama game must have had some effect.

The 2007 team played with a lot of character in the SEC CG, and but for a couple of plays, had the game won. It's that game that gives me the most hope for the 2008 season.

I'm also ready for the post-EA era.
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Determination should not be required for a UT team to earn a 5-1 record in our final 6 games.
 
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kptvol said:
Determination should not be required for a UT team to earn a 5-1 record in our final 6 games.
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Is it what LSU lacked against UK; was UK the better team; or was LSU just outcoached last year? Or, was that Fulmer's fault?
 
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utmba93 said:
Is it what LSU lacked against UK; was UK the better team; or was LSU just outcoached last year? Or, was that Fulmer's fault?
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Look at UK's schedule prior to LSU. UK had some great talent amongst their starters. However, they are still UK. The overall talent level is not there. Before LSU, they played six pretty weak teams. Then, they had to play LSU, Florida, and MSU on consecutive weekends. After there starters got beat up with those teams, you can get a better picture of what that UK team was like. They barely beat Vandy and a terrible FSU team that didn't even have about half it's players.
 
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I'm gonna be rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Football season can't get here any sooner. Although i don't know why i keep getting my hopes up. Only to get them deflated every year.

This is usually when we have a good year when no one expects much. I like the team if we can get a qb who can manage the game well.
 
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oklavol said:
Wins per coach
Neyland 173
Fulmer 147

Fulmer needs 27 wins to pass Neyland.
That's 3, 9 win seasons. Unless Tennessee has another losing season Fulmer isn't going anywhere.

In 3 or 4 years he will probably retire at 60 or 61 after breaking the record. Then some new blood take over the program. Hamilton isn't going to make a move IMO.
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Well if Fulmer doesnt win the SEC championship this year then he has to be fired. Its blatantly obvious that he simply is not a good coach. Just look at his overall record versus top 25 teams the last five years and the control that he also lost on the team. I mean hes a joke he lets Briton Colquit stay on the team after his fourth alcohol offense. He gave Coker way to many chances and I just think that he is simply running our progam in the ground.
 
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tennfanatic said:
Well if Fulmer doesnt win the SEC championship this year then he has to be fired. Its blatantly obvious that he simply is not a good coach. Just look at his overall record versus top 25 teams the last five years and the control that he also lost on the team. I mean hes a joke he lets Briton Colquit stay on the team after his fourth alcohol offense. He gave Coker way to many chances and I just think that he is simply running our progam in the ground.
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Fulmer followed University policy in regards to Coker.
 
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utmba93 said:
Although we won the SEC in 1997, the feeling is closer to where I was during the Spurrier years versus Florida. We dropped 5 straight, then Fulmer beat CSS in 1998 and again in 2001 (helping to encourage the ole ball coach to move on to the League). Since we also beat UF in 2002 and 2003, the drought doesn't seem, and literally isn't, as long as that Bama streak (yet?).

Fulmer hasn't dropped 7 straight to anyone, EVER.
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Fulmer having anything to do with Spurrier's decision to go to the NFL is the most ridiculous thinge you've ever posted.
 
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tennfanatic said:
Well if he followed University standards then our standards are pretty low. I understand that people make mistakes but they shouldnt be given that many chances.
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do you believe UT's standards are lower than what the SEC would allow?
 
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No! Im just saying that we should not have standards that are so low. I mean if you dont learn your lesson after the second time then you shouldnt be a Vol.
 
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tennfanatic said:
No! Im just saying that we should not have standards that are so low. I mean if you dont learn your lesson after the second time then you shouldnt be a Vol.
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If I'm not mistaken, Coker had 4 chances.
The Bengals gave Chris Henry 5.

It's how teams are handling it now-a-days.
 
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tennisguy said:
It's a good thing because he is not going anywhere for at least 3 years. He has to reach 174 wins to beat General Neylands record and he is at 147. Then when he gets that he will probably want to try and get 200 wins. Well, that adds another 2 to 3 years. So, my guess is he is there for another 6 at least. That is assuming there are no more 5-6 seasons and then he would be there much longer. Just something for the Fulmer haters to think about.
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Who knows he may decide to go after Pat's record.:whistling:
 
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kptvol said:
Fulmer having anything to do with Spurrier's decision to go to the NFL is the most ridiculous thinge you've ever posted.
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Check out this CSS link then:
ificantbeatutimleaving.com

and while you're there just imagine that guy throwing his visor down as he says those words.

To Spurrier, not beating us must have felt like the end of college football.

The link is a fake... of course, but think about it.

The Vols beat him in the last SEC game he coached for the Gators. Had Spurrier won that game, he would have taken his Gators to the SECCG for a chance to play LSU. Beat LSU and he plays for another national title (instead of Nebraska who didn't even win their conference that year but still got to play the eventual NC Miami Hurricanes). The 2001 Vols took a lot from Spurrier in that game.

Side note: It would be nice is somehow you guys could attack Fulmer without taking so much away from his teams.
 
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Coach Fulmer has some great accomplishments. Props for those. And I really like the guy (after all, we portly gentlemen have to band together against all the fat jokes).

But there have been no championships or BCS bowls in several years, and that clearly indicates a downward trend from where we were. There is just no way to argue otherwise. I know some will argue that we were two interceptions away from winning the SEC in '07, but along the way we got shamefully embarrassed by our two biggest rivals and got taken to the wire by teams we have traditionally owned (I understand the argument that those teams have gotten better, but I don't see that as an excuse - shouldn't we be getting better, too?).

However, I'm not ready to give up on Coach Fulmer just yet. I believe there are some reasons to think things might get better in '08. Maybe that's wishful thinking on my part, but there are clearly some positive things going on. We closed well in '07 (especially the SECCG where our D was awesome). We should start to see more contribution from the good recruiting class that came in last year. There is some fresh blood on the coaching staff. We get UF and Bama at home. If we can improve in the DL and if JC or one of the other QBs emerges, I really think we could be better than we've been in a while. If we're not, I'll be very disappointed. It's time UT returned to being consistently relevant as a national/regional power. It remains to be seen if Coach Fulmer can get us back there again. But if he's going to do it, he's going to have to raise us out of the mire of mediocrity, and soon.
 
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Cincy Vol o5 said:
If I'm not mistaken, Coker had 4 chances.
The Bengals gave Chris Henry 5.

It's how teams are handling it now-a-days.
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Well theres a definite problem with how teams are dealing with things these days. We are telling kids its ok if you continue to act like a thug,
 
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