Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[rexvol]

I'll put 100 dollars on it that Arkansas will never see a SECCG with Petrino coaching them.

bet it.





actually gambling is a sin

 

[jakez4ut]

Let's get another thing straight: 50+ years between national championships.

And, again, both teams finished about 12th in the nation. The difference is that you are willing to accept mediocrity for the basketball program.

and you're willing to accept mediocrity for the football team.

this argument is now over.

 

[utmba93]

and you're willing to accept mediocrity for the football team.

this argument is now over.

Right. I doubt anyone else will post in this thread now that the argument is over.

'Mediocrity' is a term that depends upon one's definition (highly subjective). NegaVols have defined football as achieving 'mediocre' results. If 12th nationally is 'mediocre' then you would be correct on that definition of mediocrity.


I've said before, from my vantage point (my definition of mediocrity), that both teams have done better than mediocre.

And, again, the basketball team comparison simply highlights differences in expectations.

I could say I expect more... I can't believe others don't expect more... yadda yadda yadda, but that will not change the outcomes. Expectations are ALL talk (and highly subjective). Results are ALL action (and more objective). Focusing on results instead of expectations would be the first step away from either blind homerism or blind criticism.

Just trying to helps others see reality through the orange shades now surrounding UT basketball... again.

 

[rexvol]

and you're willing to accept mediocrity for the football team.

this argument is now over.

what he said

 

[utmba93]

what he said

So, how do you define mediocrity?

 

[rexvol]

So, how do you define mediocrity?

blow-out losses to UF, Bama, and Cal

 

[rexvol]

So, how do you define mediocrity?

10 years since a SEC Championship

 

[rexvol]

So, how do you define mediocrity?

When was our last BCS Bowl?

 

[rexvol]

So, how do you define mediocrity?

a losing season

 

[rexvol]

So, how do you define mediocrity?

getting beat by Vanderbilt

 

[utmba93]

getting beat by Vanderbilt

Interesting. THe basketball team did that this season, but football won.

I don't think you're being fair to the basketball team on that one.

 

[utmba93]

a losing season

It's happened once during CPF's time on the Hill. Is that the only season you can remember?

 

[utmba93]

10 years since a SEC Championship

By basketball standards, we were 'regular season' SEC champs in football in 2001.

In basketball, UT lost the tournament this year. Count the tournament in the same way you count the SEC CG, and you get the same results.

 

[utmba93]

When was our last BCS Bowl?

When was the basketball team's last Elite 8 appearance?

 

[utvolpj]

a losing season

getting beat by Vanderbilt

by your definition, how many UT coaches have not been mediocre?

 

[rexvol]

Interesting. THe basketball team did that this season, but football won.

I don't think you're being fair to the basketball team on that one.

are you honestly comparing a loss to Vandy in basketball to a loss to Vandy in football? seriously?

 

[utmba93]

are you honestly comparing a loss to Vandy in basketball to a loss to Vandy in football? seriously?

It was your definition of mediocrity, not mine. Be clear about what you are saying.

 

[rexvol]

by your definition, how many UT coaches have not been mediocre?

we've had quite a few medicore coaches on the hill, you have to look at the Vanderbilt loss with some degree of historical perspective.

 

[utmba93]

we've had quite a few medicore coaches on the hill, you have to look at the Vanderbilt loss with some degree of historical perspective.

As in Neyland lost to them as well?

 

[dickens821]

we've had quite a few medicore coaches on the hill, you have to look at the Vanderbilt loss with some degree of historical perspective.

If you're going to look at the Vandy loss with some degree of historical perspective, then I'd suggest you do the same with the National Championship.

 

[rexvol]

It was your definition of mediocrity, not mine. Be clear about what you are saying.

hardly. it was def of mediocrity as it relates to our football program.

 

[rexvol]

As in Neyland lost to them as well?

as in Vanderbilt wasnt always the doormat that they've been in modern times.

 

[rexvol]

If you're going to look at the Vandy loss with some degree of historical perspective, then I'd suggest you do the same with the National Championship.

do you have any idea what you're talking about?

 

[utmba93]

If you're going to look at the Vandy loss with some degree of historical perspective, then I'd suggest you do the same with the National Championship.

I'm afraid historical starts and ends in 2005 for NegaVols.

 

[utmba93]

do you have any ide what you're talking about?

Maybe he's talking about the fact that CPF has dominated Vandy.