Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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whobethis16 said:
As someone else said before, it is unfair to say Fulmer "inherited" the talent when he was the offensive coordinator and recruited quite a bit of that talent himself. He just got promoted.
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No, it's not. He WAS NOT the head coach therefore he inherited the talent. At least that is what any informed person knows about it.

He sure left it miles from the shape he inherited it and that's a FACT
 
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2ironVol said:
No, it's not. He WAS NOT the head coach therefore he inherited the talent. At least that is what any informed person knows about it.

He sure left it miles from the shape he inherited it and that's a FACT
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When he's the one going out and recruiting the players (much like Cutcliffe who people keep giving credit to for so much of the success, i.e. recruiting) he brought in a bunch of the talent in and got to become the head hancho with that talent. And that's a FACT. Since putting "fact" in all caps certainly makes it so.
 
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whobethis16 said:
When he's the one going out and recruiting the players (much like Cutcliffe who people keep giving credit to for so much of the success, i.e. recruiting) he brought in a bunch of the talent in and got to become the head hancho with that talent. And that's a FACT. Since putting "fact" in all caps certainly makes it so.
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No, it's not. He wasn't responsible for Pickens, Harper or Chuck Webb, among many others. He did do a great job as recruiting coordinator. That doesn't mean he went out and got the guys himself. He got a lot of them but was selling the program and Coach Majors, not himself.

This is just another case of uninformed, hayseed fans not having a clue as to what goes on behind the scenes.

And it is a FACT that he left the team in fractions of what he inherited. If you don't like it, that's fine. It is the truth though and you can't argue it
 
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2ironVol said:
No, it's not. He wasn't responsible for Pickens, Harper or Chuck Webb, among many others. He did do a great job as recruiting coordinator. That doesn't mean he went out and got the guys himself. He got a lot of them but was selling the program and Coach Majors, not himself.

This is just another case of uninformed, hayseed fans not having a clue as to what goes on behind the scenes.

And it is a FACT that he left the team in fractions of what he inherited. If you don't like it, that's fine. It is the truth though and you can't argue it
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Go back through my posts and find one that I said that the talent was the same when he was forced out as it was when he came in. You won't be able to because there isn't one. Yes, he was promoting Majors etc, but just like the Manning(s) committed because of Cutcliffe, there were undoubtedly several that committed because of Fulmer.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Go back through my posts and find one that I said that the talent was the same when he was forced out as it was when he came in. You won't be able to because there isn't one. Yes, he was promoting Majors etc, but just like the Manning(s) committed because of Cutcliffe, there were undoubtedly several that committed because of Fulmer.
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Absolutely. If Phillip had kept that fire that he had in the early to mid nineties, we probably would have never seen the program drift into irrelevance, like it did his last 6-7 years. I wish he were still our coach. That would mean that he didn't allow it to fall off so badly
 
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To all of those claiming the talent Fulmer inherited are players he recruited, please explain how he forgot to recruit in the latter stages of his coaching career? Phil was an OL recruiting coach more than any other position and that was the worst OL ever that was left on the roster upon his firing.
 
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GmanTN said:
To all of those claiming the talent Fulmer inherited are players he recruited, please explain how he forgot to recruit in the latter stages of his coaching career? Phil was an OL recruiting coach more than any other position and that was the worst OL ever that was left on the roster upon his firing.
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The big uglies got bigger and Phil couldn't hold his own with the recuits over dinner. He lost his edge... probably due to folks here giving him a hard time about donuts and whatnot. Had we let his grow with them, perhaps things would be differnent. :dunno:
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
I heard a rumor, from his wife nonetheless, that Fulmer puts his pant on one leg at a time. So, therefore, he is grounded and normal like anyone else; however, he has a National Championship ring. I dare anyone to challenge me. He did his best and got the best. You can not argue that. He slacked off, or relied on terrible intel, Iraq, either way. He is mighty damn fine in my book. Yet, his time has come and gone.
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yup
 
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whobethis16 said:
As someone else said before, it is unfair to say Fulmer "inherited" the talent when he was the offensive coordinator and recruited quite a bit of that talent himself. He just got promoted.
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This is true also. I would agree that you inherit when you come from a different team. I think CPF had a lot to do with the talent he had when he took over from Johnny "Walker" Majors.
 
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2ironVol said:
No, it's not. He WAS NOT the head coach therefore he inherited the talent. At least that is what any informed person knows about it.

He sure left it miles from the shape he inherited it and that's a FACT
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Sorry 2iron, this is where you and I disagree. I feel fairly certain and informed that CPF recruited a lot of the talent that was here when he took over. CJM was an OK recruiter, CPF was better during his first 8 or so years and I am sure while he was OC for CJM.
 
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at florida, meyer won the national title in his second year, mainly with zook's talent. but, meyer gets all the credit.
 
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VolsRule said:
at florida, meyer won the national title in his second year, mainly with zook's talent. but, meyer gets all the credit.
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Then won it again two years later with his own talent.

I dislike Meyer as much as the next guy, but he can recruit and coach with the best of them
 
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vol_in_il said:
yep..Shows just how horrible Hamilton was at hiring

OSU hires Meyer, Hambone hires Dooley
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Hambone was an art tart, but people weren't beating down the door to be the vols head coach after kiffy left. I don't know how many times that has to be said. We were turned down by the AF HC....
 
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Dooley wasn't on my radar when he was hired but the condition of the program at the time scared a lot of high profile coaches away because it had the possibility of being a career killer and not many coaches in their right mind want to do that. I don't recall seeing or hearing any big coaches saying Hey Hire Me allow me to be considered for the position.
 
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GmanTN said:
Dooley wasn't on my radar when he was hired but the condition of the program at the time scared a lot of high profile coaches away because it had the possibility of being a career killer and not many coaches in their right mind want to do that. I don't recall seeing or hearing any big coaches saying Hey Hire Me allow me to be considered for the position.
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paying $5MM vs $2MM, would have generated alot more consideration
 
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DjCrenshaw said:
Hambone was an art tart, but people weren't beating down the door to be the vols head coach after kiffy left. I don't know how many times that has to be said. We were turned down by the AF HC....
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That because of our roster situation, our former AD being an idiot when it comes to football, and the fact that UT didn't feel the need to pay more than $2 million a year for a coach. We waited too long to pull the plug on Fulmer, and it has cost us.
 
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vol_in_il said:
paying $5MM vs $2MM, would have generated alot more consideration
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There was never a yearly salary figure floating out there so I don't buy that theory. When Kansas and Arkansas HC came available Phil and other coaches had no problem throwing their name in the hat for consideration.... That sure was not the case here...thanks Phil
 
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