Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[Fullfillmer]

This was in response to another poster about Fulmer's last season when he was fired. I think its pretty telling. I know that someone is gonna chim in with the "but he lost to the big four" etc. But dam after you read this post and put it in perspective, I think it shows just how ignorant we were.

"Yes, we where one season removed from a 10 win season and an SEC Championship game appearance.

The horrible slide of UT from 2000-2008.
76-38 record.
66.7%. 19th in America.
Alabama 47.8%. 71st in America.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/r...

Further on the horrific 2000-2008 (9 seasons)

4 - 10+ win seasons.
1 - 9 win season, 2 - 8 win seasons.

7 of the 9 seasons where 8+ wins.
4 times they won or tied for first in the East.

The schedule was much more demanding then with no gimme game like you see now with 12 game schedule (most then where still 11 game schedules).
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT UT WILL NEVER AGAIN DO AS WELL IN THE FUTURE AS THEY DID DURING THESE HORRIFIC 9 YEARS!!!!! NEVER!!!!"

Get off here Phil or Vicky

Very front loaded numbers - Try your calculations again using the last 4 years.

Also -- go back and review Fulmer's recruiting those last 4 years. Here's a hint ( it sucked ) If you can't recruit in this league you are toast.

 

[allvol123]

Phil was getting rolled by Saban before he even got Bama going.

 

[angrypug]

I think it might have worked out had kiffen not left and we could stay out of trouble with NCAA. But when he left for USC we had a mess and Hamilton made a quick, not very good, hire. It's a mess now.

 

[VolSwaff]

Firing Fulmer was not a mistake, letting Mike Hamilton hire our successor and run our AD was the biggest fail ever.

And guess who is largely responsible for hiring Hamilton

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

In hindsight, it's fine to argue that we should have kept Fulmer because we would probably be better now than we are.

However, that doesn't mean the initial decision was the wrong one. You can add up all the years you want to inflate the end of Fulmer's career, but in his last four years he managed to go 29-21 with two bowl-less seasons. Yeah, sure, that's significantly better than where we are now, but it's still mediocre-to-bad.

For the Fulmer fans, this stretch has probably been a gift to them because they can point back and say "SEE?! We should've kept him!" But the real issue is how poorly his replacements turned out, not that we made the decision to replace him.

Its not that we should have kept Fulmer, the fact is that Hamilton fired him without having the answer in his hip pocket. That's the problem, apparently no one did their homework and made sure that we weren't shooting ourselves in the foot or firing him just for the sake of firing him.

 

[BigPapaVol]

Just because Step 2 of going in the right direction wasn't the right one, it doesn't mean Step 1 wasn't the right one. Fulmer couldn't beat any decent coach in this league and you can check his record against Spurrier, Saban, Meyer, Miles and Richt. He was getting stomped regularly by our rivals with NFL talent littering the roster.

Getting rid of him was the right call, bringing in Dooley was not. Coaches CAN win here, that stupid defeatist idea that only Fulmer can magically perform well in Knoxville is ridiculous.

Money

 

[Regulator]

Its not that we should have kept Fulmer, the fact is that Hamilton fired him without having the answer in his hip pocket. That's the problem, apparently no one did their homework and made sure that we weren't shooting ourselves in the foot or firing him just for the sake of firing him.

Hello? Lane Kiffin.

Blame Hamilton for a lot of things, but he can't predict the future and he had no idea that Pete Carroll would bolt USC.

 

[gasguy98]

If you want to know the truth. I think Fulmer should of won more than one National Championship. With all the talent he had.

He said another one was coming before he got the axe.

 

[volfanecs]

My favorite thread is back.:whistling::rock:

 

[FLSTF-VOL]

Hello? Lane Kiffin.

Blame Hamilton for a lot of things, but he can't predict the future and he had no idea that Pete Carroll would bolt USC.

Hate to tell ya but Kiffin was not even in the picture until eveyone else said "not no but hell no."

 

[volfanecs]

Failure was tanking the program. He needed to be fired.

Fulmorons who think otherwise are looking through glazed glasses. Thinking that the current state of affairs validates the 'keep Fulmer' argument is similar to having a cancerous tumor removed but then getting a staph infection and thinking that you should have just kept the cancerous tumor.

Hey BC. Hope all is well. By the way, you are wrong. Firing Phil was like having a healthy body and injecting a tumor into it. "Fulmorons" lol...good one. By the way, you missed one...glazed donuts...instead of glasses.

 

[bamacheats]

Hey BC. Hope all is well. By the way, you are wrong. Firing Phil was like having a healthy body and injecting a tumor into it. "Fulmorons" lol...good one. By the way, you missed one...glazed donuts...instead of glasses.

Sup cheese! Actually life sucks for me right now. Yearly bet with some buddies from Bama, I'm wearing a Crimson Terd jersey this week.

But, I was right, Fulmer was the tumor, Hamilton was the cancer, Kiffin was the staph infection, Dooley is the aggressive treatment, Gruden is the cure.

We're almost healthy again.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Money

Loose change.

 

[VolsRule]

it was time for fulmer to go. But, hamilton did a poor job of searching for coaches and rushed to hire kiffin and dooley.

 

[volfanecs]

Sup cheese! Actually life sucks for me right now. Yearly bet with some buddies from Bama, I'm wearing a Crimson Terd jersey this week.

But, I was right, Fulmer was the tumor, Hamilton was the cancer, Kiffin was the staph infection, Dooley is the aggressive treatment, Gruden is the cure.

We're almost healthy again.

You actually bet we would win???? sigh

 

[iluvsmesumdooley]

If you are going to split hairs about numbers, should we really claim the 1967 NC?

We have to claim 1967 for recruiting purposes because Bama claims all of their meaningless titles from the Cullman Daily News, Enterprise Fish Wrapper, etc.

 

[iluvsmesumdooley]

If Fulmer is so great, how come he has been rejected by Arkansas, Louisville, Minnesota, Kansas, Clemson, etc.? My God - rejected by the Gophers and Jayhawks! The fact is we have not had a very good team since 2001. There were 10,000 teabaggers left in Neyland Saturday, and there were 10,000 in 2008. Nothing's changed - it is the fault of what I like to call the Foul Five - Foolmer, Hammy, Kitten, Dooleave, and the straw that stirs this putrid drink - Jimmy the Butt Cheek.

 

[volfanecs]

If Fulmer is so great, how come he has been rejected by Arkansas, Louisville, Minnesota, Kansas, Clemson, etc.? My God - rejected by the Gophers and Jayhawks! The fact is we have not had a very good team since 2001. There were 10,000 teabaggers left in Neyland Saturday, and there were 10,000 in 2008. Nothing's changed - it is the fault of what I like to call the Foul Five - Foolmer, Hammy, Kitten, Dooleave, and the straw that stirs this putrid drink - Jimmy the Butt Cheek.

Teabaggers? Does your join date coincide with your birth date?

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

If Fulmer is so great, how come he has been rejected by Arkansas, Louisville, Minnesota, Kansas, Clemson, etc.? My God - rejected by the Gophers and Jayhawks! The fact is we have not had a very good team since 2001. There were 10,000 teabaggers left in Neyland Saturday, and there were 10,000 in 2008. Nothing's changed - it is the fault of what I like to call the Foul Five - Foolmer, Hammy, Kitten, Dooleave, and the straw that stirs this putrid drink - Jimmy the Butt Cheek.

lol: .

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

At one time this was a good board. All these new "members" are conspiring to ruin it.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Sup cheese! Actually life sucks for me right now. Yearly bet with some buddies from Bama, I'm wearing a Crimson Terd jersey this week.

But, I was right, Fulmer was the tumor, Hamilton was the cancer, Kiffin was the staph infection, Dooley is the aggressive treatment, Gruden is the cure.

We're almost healthy again.

If we can just cure your oral stupidity/runny**** mouth, we'd be on our way.

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

Loose change.

Underrated post, IMHO.

Anyone still defending the firing of Fulmer is simply trying to overcompensate for getting it so wrong. Hell, without Hambone, 2008 would have been better than any year under Dooley (and equivalent to Kiffin's "less with more" year).

Anyone still trying to argue otherwise is simply employing a modified version of the "Shaggy defense":

SHAGGY - IT WASNT ME - YouTube

 

[Big Orange 1]

I just can't understand why you fire a proven winner with an unproven coach and then when he leaves you get another unproven coach.

 

[volfanecs]

Underrated post, IMHO.

Anyone still defending the firing of Fulmer is simply trying to overcompensate for getting it so wrong. Hell, without Hambone, 2008 would have been better than any year under Dooley (and equivalent to Kiffin's "less with more" year).

Anyone still trying to argue otherwise is simply employing a modified version of the "Shaggy defense":

SHAGGY - IT WASNT ME - YouTube

So what is our record since he was replaced? Defend that.

 

[GmanTN]

If Phil was still our coach we would still be losing to Florida, Bama, GA and SC on a regular basis. The only time Phil owned Bama was when they were going through sanctions which was during the time when Phil made his run on them. Phil led teams would not be beating Saban led Bama teams. Nothing pleased Spurrier more than driving a nail against UT in the won/loss column.