Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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#10,276
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This was in response to another poster about Fulmer's last season when he was fired. I think its pretty telling. I know that someone is gonna chim in with the "but he lost to the big four" etc. But dam after you read this post and put it in perspective, I think it shows just how ignorant we were.

"Yes, we where one season removed from a 10 win season and an SEC Championship game appearance.

The horrible slide of UT from 2000-2008.
76-38 record.
66.7%. 19th in America.
Alabama 47.8%. 71st in America.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/r...

Further on the horrific 2000-2008 (9 seasons)

4 - 10+ win seasons.
1 - 9 win season, 2 - 8 win seasons.

7 of the 9 seasons where 8+ wins.
4 times they won or tied for first in the East.

The schedule was much more demanding then with no gimme game like you see now with 12 game schedule (most then where still 11 game schedules).
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT UT WILL NEVER AGAIN DO AS WELL IN THE FUTURE AS THEY DID DURING THESE HORRIFIC 9 YEARS!!!!! NEVER!!!!"
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
I would assume that its his opinion. Really don't see anything that indicates that he could be wrong. At least not with what we have going on right now.

Do you?
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Never? NEVER?

It can be his opinion, but it's a ridiculous one. If this program can never get to the level of getting blown out in Peach Bowls again, we're not as an elite a traditional power as we thought.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
This was in response to another poster about Fulmer's last season when he was fired. I think its pretty telling. I know that someone is gonna chim in with the "but he lost to the big four" etc. But dam after you read this post and put it in perspective, I think it shows just how ignorant we were.

"Yes, we where one season removed from a 10 win season and an SEC Championship game appearance.

The horrible slide of UT from 2000-2008.
76-38 record.
66.7%. 19th in America.
Alabama 47.8%. 71st in America.

http://football.stassen.com/cgi-bin/r...

Further on the horrific 2000-2008 (9 seasons)

4 - 10+ win seasons.
1 - 9 win season, 2 - 8 win seasons.

7 of the 9 seasons where 8+ wins.
4 times they won or tied for first in the East.

The schedule was much more demanding then with no gimme game like you see now with 12 game schedule (most then where still 11 game schedules).
PLEASE REMEMBER THAT UT WILL NEVER AGAIN DO AS WELL IN THE FUTURE AS THEY DID DURING THESE HORRIFIC 9 YEARS!!!!! NEVER!!!!"
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Uhhhh....no.
 
#10,285
#10,285
Failure was tanking the program. He needed to be fired.

Fulmorons who think otherwise are looking through glazed glasses. Thinking that the current state of affairs validates the 'keep Fulmer' argument is similar to having a cancerous tumor removed but then getting a staph infection and thinking that you should have just kept the cancerous tumor.
 
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kevol80 said:
I didn't know Phil posted over there.
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Is that all you got? Want to try and prove the numbers wrong or put this whole thing into perspective for us? I guess you were assuming that Hamilton had the capacity to make the "right" hire that would guarantee us better days. Who's to say Fulmer couldn't have turned it around or at the very least help find the "right" coach to transition to.
 
#10,288
#10,288
Just because Step 2 of going in the right direction wasn't the right one, it doesn't mean Step 1 wasn't the right one. Fulmer couldn't beat any decent coach in this league and you can check his record against Spurrier, Saban, Meyer, Miles and Richt. He was getting stomped regularly by our rivals with NFL talent littering the roster.

Getting rid of him was the right call, bringing in Dooley was not. Coaches CAN win here, that stupid defeatist idea that only Fulmer can magically perform well in Knoxville is ridiculous.
 
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Whatever. 2 of his last 3 seasons were loosing. And the recruiting fell outside the top 25. Fulmer was the beneficiary of uf, Uga, and bama being down throughout a lot of his career. USC wasn't competitive at that te either. We needed a change. We just picked the wrong replacement and lil kiffie set is back a couple of years. Then by leaving when he did left is with few options for his replacement. Hopefully they'll let Dooley go right at seasons end which will allow us proper time to find a quality replacement.
 
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bamacheats said:
Failure was tanking the program. He needed to be fired.

Fulmorons who think otherwise are looking through glazed glasses. Thinking that the current state of affairs validates the 'keep Fulmer' argument is similar to having a cancerous tumor removed but then getting a staph infection and thinking that you should have just kept the cancerous tumor.
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Yeah your right. We sure as hell are better off now. Fulmorons? What do you call yourself now? Doolmoron? Kiffmoron? or just moron?
 
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If you look at the 200-2008 seasons as a whole then yes it's impressive. But the downfall started in 2005 and frankly after Cut left. In conference play from 2005 to 20087 gave us a 17-15 record with two bowls (1-1). In both 2005 and 2008 we were 3-5 in conference play. Our wins were against...UAB, Miss St, Northern Illinois, Vandy & KY. But the real downfall was all the off the field troubles with players and 2008 was as bad as it could get.
 
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True though. But some will say if we had kept Coach Fulmer we would be just as bad off, I disagree with that. Makes me think of that pic with Pres. Bush "miss me yet?" and yes I do, both of them. I know hindsight is 20/20, but I sure wish we had given him another season, we wouldn't be any worse off than we are now.
 
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Sounds like a discussion I had with a longtime hokie fan. Warned him that Beamer is looking alot like Phil.

His reply was we should have never fired Phil because even if he only won 7 games he might one day win 10. This logic reflects a fans expectations for a program.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Yeah your right. We sure as hell are better off now. Fulmorons? What do you call yourself now? Doolmoron? Kiffmoron? or just moron?
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In hindsight, it's fine to argue that we should have kept Fulmer because we would probably be better now than we are.

However, that doesn't mean the initial decision was the wrong one. You can add up all the years you want to inflate the end of Fulmer's career, but in his last four years he managed to go 29-21 with two bowl-less seasons. Yeah, sure, that's significantly better than where we are now, but it's still mediocre-to-bad.

For the Fulmer fans, this stretch has probably been a gift to them because they can point back and say "SEE?! We should've kept him!" But the real issue is how poorly his replacements turned out, not that we made the decision to replace him.
 
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#10,298
When Fulmer left, no matter the record, he was still playing 1984 football schemes while the rest of the conference was evolving into what we see today. Heck, we STILL don't have a mobile QB and look at what a difference just that alone can have in your O arsenal. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't even think we had an actual special teams coach employed. I remember Fulmer being asked about it and he said, "Oh, we all just kind of help out with special teams"?! Lame didn't help- Taj Boyd WANTED to come here and kiffy told him to look elsewhere so we could get this gun slinger from Cali that is absolutely killing it this year, wait... I mean,.... nevermind. Fulmer did great things for this university, don't get me wrong, but the game was passing him by just like we are starting to see with Beamer and Brown at TX.
 
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bamacheats said:
Failure was tanking the program. He needed to be fired.

Fulmorons who think otherwise are looking through glazed glasses. Thinking that the current state of affairs validates the 'keep Fulmer' argument is similar to having a cancerous tumor removed but then getting a staph infection and thinking that you should have just kept the cancerous tumor.
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