Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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i don't know how much politically incorrect truth there is about fulmer in this thread, but here's the deal.

imo, people thought fulmer was very conservative and not all that good of a coach. that he lucked into whatever success he had. and because of all that, we can hire any idiot we want to and tennessee will win a bunch of games without much trouble.

it's a few years later now and tennessee aspires to be as good as they were during the "bad years" of fulmer
 
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99gator said:
i don't know how much politically incorrect truth there is about fulmer in this thread, but here's the deal.

imo, people thought fulmer was very conservative and not all that good of a coach. that he lucked into whatever success he had. and because of all that, we can hire any idiot we want to and tennessee will win a bunch of games without much trouble.

it's a few years later now and tennessee aspires to be as good as they were during the "bad years" of fulmer
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Not bad....for a Gator.
 
#10,979
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TNGlen said:
Bear Bryant lifetime and Bob Stoops in the 2000's......but other than those two you might have a point.
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Was talking about in UT history mainly. The point was, take away the 90s and Neyland's tenure, there was not a better span than Fulmer's last 8 years. Some matched, but none were really better. (Looking at overall records here). So to say that Fulmer took the program down is ludacris.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
Well, Fulmer was clearly on the downhill slide at this point, but here are a few worthy of note:

2003: Perhaps, in retrospect, the highlight of this period, Tennessee ends Miami's 28-game home winning streak, 10-6. See 2003 - Tennessee Ends Miami's 28 Game Home Winning Streak (Video 2 - 2nd Half) - YouTube . Florida and Alabama were down somewhat, but victories over them (24-10 and 51-43, respectively) should always be celebrated.

2004: Tennessee narrowly defeats Florida, Georgia, and Alabama (30-28, 19-14, and 17-13, respectively). Regardless of the circumstances, how many times have we beaten all three in the same year? Obviously 1998 but I don't know of too many other years. UT goes on to win the SEC East before losing to eventual 13-0 Auburn in the championship game. In the 2005 Cotton Bowl, Tennessee soundly defeats Texas A & M, 38-7.

2005: In a tremendous comeback, Tennessee defeats an LSU team that would finish the season 11-2 by the margin of 30-27.

2006: Tennessee unleashes a world of second-half hurt on Georgia, defeating the Bulldogs 51-33.

2007: Despite losing badly to Alabama and Florida, Tennessee wins the SEC Eastern Division championship.

That's about it. I fully understand your frustration but let's give credit where credit is due.
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2006 Part II: absolutely destroyed Cal, who was in the NC picture, last time Bama lost to UT.
 
#10,981
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99gator said:
i don't know how much politically incorrect truth there is about fulmer in this thread, but here's the deal.

imo, people thought fulmer was very conservative and not all that good of a coach. that he lucked into whatever success he had. and because of all that, we can hire any idiot we want to and tennessee will win a bunch of games without much trouble.

it's a few years later now and tennessee aspires to be as good as they were during the "bad years" of fulmer
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Broken from the inside. I hate to admit this but until ut gets a Foley type AD we will be stuck.
 
#10,982
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hohenfelsvol said:
Broken from the inside. I hate to admit this but until ut gets a Foley type AD we will be stuck.
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Foley got lucky. His promotion of Zook about got him canned. Their fan base was livid with his 8 win seasons. Zook was was really the father of the "fire(insert coach's name).com" with the fireronzook.com. It was fun to watch their fan base waller in their own poop even though it was only for a couple of years.
 
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TNGlen said:
:ermm: Math not your strong point I see.....that would be 3-2 FL. Spurrier dominated CPF like NO other coach did.
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Are you utterly incapable of reading a carefully qualified statement with precision? I broke the rivalry into two discrete periods: 1993-1996, during which Spurrier and Florida dominated Tennesee and the rest of the SEC as well; and 1997-2001. To reiterate, "After 1997, Fulmer, Cutcliffe and Chavis hit upon a workable strategy for playing Florida: Don't try to match them score for score in a shootout; it's a recipe for disaster. Shorten the clock, run the ball, play defense, keep it close going into the 4th quarter and try to pull it out at the end. . . . For four consecutive years, the games were extremely close, very competitive and we went 2-2."

Furthermore, my math adds up precisely: 7-3 overall in favor of Spurrier; that includes every game that Spurrier and Fulmer ever coached against each other, including Fulmer's interim year (1992) victory. I simply did not comment on 1997, because, in my opinion, the change in strategy occurred after that year. For the record, I expect occasional smart-aleck remarks from fans of our adversaries. I don't appreciate and won't tolerate them from, ostensibly, fellow Vol fans. If necessary, I will be more than happy to take you to the intellectual woodshed, however.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
Not really many but we kicked the crap out of UGA (45-19) and South Carolina (31-13) with Kiffin.

How about you name some good things that happened in Fulmer's last five to six years.
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Well, if you're going to include wins over teams not even ranked in the top-20 as something to celebrate, then all of these wins are either comparable or better or much better:

2003
Beat 17th ranked Florida @ Florida
Beat Alabama @ Alabama
Beat 6th ranked Miami @ Miami
(Oh yeah, and beat South Carolina)

2004
Beat 11th ranked Florida
Beat 3rd ranked Georgia @ Georgia
Beat Alabama
Beat Texas A&M in Cotton Bowl in Texas
(Oh yeah, and beat South Carolina)

2005
Beat 4th ranked LSU @ LSU

2006
Beat 9th ranked Cal
Beat 10th ranked Georgia
Beat Alabama
(Oh yeah, and beat South Carolina)

2007
Beat a Georgia team that would finish 2nd in the nation
Beat 18th ranked Wisconsin
(Oh yeah, and beat South Carolina)

Wins in the Swamp, Between the Hedges, in Death Valley, at Alabama, against A&M in Dallas, and ending a long winning streak at Miami, with annual wins over top-20 opponents in 5 out of 6 years. Something no Tennessee coach after Fulmer has achieved in a single year since his firing.
 
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VegasVol said:
Well, if you're going to include wins over teams not even ranked in the top-20 as something to celebrate, then all of these wins are either comparable or better or much better:

2003
Beat 17th ranked Florida @ Florida
Beat Alabama @ Alabama
Beat 6th ranked Miami @ Miami
(Oh yeah, and beat South Carolina)

2004
Beat 11th ranked Florida
Beat 3rd ranked Georgia @ Georgia
Beat Alabama
Beat Texas A&M in Cotton Bowl in Texas
(Oh yeah, and beat South Carolina)

2005
Beat 4th ranked LSU @ LSU

2006
Beat 9th ranked Cal
Beat 10th ranked Georgia
Beat Alabama
(Oh yeah, and beat South Carolina)

2007
Beat a Georgia team that would finish 2nd in the nation
Beat 18th ranked Wisconsin
(Oh yeah, and beat South Carolina)

Wins in the Swamp, Between the Hedges, in Death Valley, at Alabama, against A&M in Dallas, and ending a long winning streak at Miami, with annual wins over top-20 opponents in 5 out of 6 years. Something no Tennessee coach after Fulmer has achieved in a single year since his firing.
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Sorry folks I love CBJ and I am really looking forward to the future, IMHO we should all tip our hats and admit we screwed up with how he was dismissed. :hi:

I for one just say thank you for the years of great memories and success you brought and for being what I believe a VFL truly should be.

WE HAVE HAD NOTHING GOOD SINCE...:no:

But I think that may have just change! GBO and GO CBJ!
 
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People should stop spouting about beating Bama during the Fulmer years, we were beating them during their years of being mediocre with head coaching questionable hires. That is like Bama bragging about beating UT during the Dooley years, everyone knows that wasn't a hard thing to do.
 
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GmanTN said:
People should stop spouting about beating Bama during the Fulmer years, we were beating them during their years of being mediocre with head coaching questionable hires. That is like Bama bragging about beating UT during the Dooley years, everyone knows that wasn't a hard thing to do.
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All part of the spin. Anti-Fulmer posters will belittle all his accomplishments. Whenever he won, there had to be a reason other than his coaching.
 
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volfanecs said:
All part of the spin. Anti-Fulmer posters will belittle all his accomplishments. Whenever he won, there had to be a reason other than his coaching.
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No one is spinning anything nor is anyone attempting to belittle Phil, it was a fact. Look at some of the head coaches during the time Phil was whipping up on Bama and look what happened to Phil once Saban arrived 0-2.
 
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