Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[VolsRule]

giving millions in buyout deals and long-term contracts to unproven coaches---the dumbest thing in the history of sports business

 

[7maxims]

this thread has out lasted my most recent marriage!

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Phil and Spurrier were the kings of the SEC during their hay days, Spurrier always got the best of Phil. Once the other schools upgraded their coaching staffs and recruiting became harder Phil was not winning the recruiting battles as much and the other schools began leveling the playing field.

Phil had a great run but he would not fare near as well in this conference as he once did, it also a reason why he has not been hired by another school.

If I may, let's refine the accuracy of your analysis and break the Fulmer vs. Spurrier debate into three periods:

1992 Fulmer is interim head coach. Tennessee wins 31-14.

1993-1996 Spurrier's true period of dominance in the SEC, which coincides with Danny Wuerffel's tenure as QB. As great a coach as Spurrier is, Wuerffel was the perfect quarterback for his system. Florida is 4-0 vs. Tennessee. Hardly anybody else in the SEC is beating Florida at this time either.

1997-2001 After 1997, Fulmer, Cutcliffe and Chavis hit upon a workable strategy for playing Florida: Don't try to match them score for score in a shootout; it's a recipe for disaster. Shorten the clock, run the ball, play defense, keep it close going into the 4th quarter and try to pull it out at the end.

Results:
1997 Florida 33-20
1998 Tennessee 20-17
1999 Florida 23-21
2000 Florida 27-23
2001 Tennessee 34-32

In the last game, Tennessee pounds Florida mercilessly with its running attack in a game that was not as close as the score indicates. 17-point underdog Tennessee defeats Spurrier in his last home game in the Swamp.

(Tennessee Historical Scores )

Viewed in this context, Spurrier still has the upper hand (7-3) but it breaks down into a tale of two micro-eras, one in which Florida dominates the series for four years, as well as the SEC, thanks in large part to the extraordinary play of Danny Wuerffel, and another in which, for four consecutive years, the games were extremely close, very competitive and we went 2-2. In short, Spurrier didn't always get the best of Phil.

 

[Wylo]

I'm going to laugh my ass off if you fail one time in your job and you get fired. You'll probably whine and complain about how you never got the chance to get back on track and all that, and I'll just laugh and laugh because of your logic regarding Fulmer.

You're an idiot...

Fulmer failed one time???

He had two losing seasons in four years. He let several SEC schools pass UT in every way.

He failed many times.

 

[Slydell]

And, the last four seasons have the football gods smiling down on us. We're doing so much better now.opcorn:

 

[NashVol11]

And why was a bunch of that talent gone? That's right, the players wanted to leave after their mentor was canned. (And by the way, the likes of Hardesty, Berry, etc were better than what is here now. And they were brought in by Fulmer.) Such a shame that the eventual ACC player of the year wasn't here because the man he wanted to play for was no longer here.

Berry was coming here no matter who the coach was.

 

[NashVol11]

The Fulmer debate continues, to this day, on VN.

One place you will not find this debate is in the AD's office of any other FBS school.

Unlike some, they recognize the fact that Phil Fulmer is not a coach who can create, restore, or maintain a winning program. If they thought he could, they would bring the money. Serious money.

The fact that this thread is the only place where the "Fulmer Debate" continues says far more than any poster, this one included, can say about the subject.

It's over. Move on.

Go Vols.

/thread

 

[knoxvols1]

Berry was coming here no matter who the coach was.[/QU The ACC payer of the year didn't come because Fulmer was fired, he didn't come because Kiffen told him he would honor the offer but that he would never play.
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[whobethis16]

Berry was coming here no matter who the coach was.[/QU The ACC payer of the year didn't come because Fulmer was fired, he didn't come because Kiffen told him he would honor the offer but that he would never play.
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Which happened because Kiffin became the coach because Fulmer was fired. If A=B and B=C, then A=C.

 

[whobethis16]

You're an idiot...

Fulmer failed one time???

He had two losing seasons in four years. He let several SEC schools pass UT in every way.

He failed many times.

You said Fulmer was fired too late, meaning he should've been fired in 05 or earlier, therefore failing once. And, as has been mentioned before, if he wasn't fired when he was, the 08 team goes 6-6, probable bowl game, etc. So yes, ultimately failed once.

 

[GmanTN]

If I may, let's refine the accuracy of your analysis and break the Fulmer vs. Spurrier debate into three periods:

1992 Fulmer is interim head coach. Tennessee wins 31-14.

1993-1996 Spurrier's true period of dominance in the SEC, which coincides with Danny Wuerffel's tenure as QB. As great a coach as Spurrier is, Wuerffel was the perfect quarterback for his system. Florida is 4-0 vs. Tennessee. Hardly anybody else in the SEC is beating Florida at this time either.

1997-2001 After 1997, Fulmer, Cutcliffe and Chavis hit upon a workable strategy for playing Florida: Don't try to match them score for score in a shootout; it's a recipe for disaster. Shorten the clock, run the ball, play defense, keep it close going into the 4th quarter and try to pull it out at the end.

Results:
1997 Florida 33-20
1998 Tennessee 20-17
1999 Florida 23-21
2000 Florida 27-23
2001 Tennessee 34-32

In the last game, Tennessee pounds Florida mercilessly with its running attack in a game that was not as close as the score indicates. 17-point underdog Tennessee defeats Spurrier in his last home game in the Swamp.

(Tennessee Historical Scores )

Viewed in this context, Spurrier still has the upper hand (7-3) but it breaks down into a tale of two micro-eras, one in which Florida dominates the series for four years, as well as the SEC, thanks in large part to the extraordinary play of Danny Wuerffel, and another in which, for four consecutive years, the games were extremely close, very competitive and we went 2-2. In short, Spurrier didn't always get the best of Phil.

Randy Sanders was the OC from 1999-2005, not Cutcliffe. Cut was the HC at Ole Miss.

 

[volfanecs]

this thread has out lasted my most recent marriage!

You're welcome.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Randy Sanders was the OC from 1999-2005, not Cutcliffe. Cut was the HC at Ole Miss.

I'm aware of that, but 1998 was the first year that they approached the Florida game in that fashion, as opposed to being a track meet. Cutcliffe was there for that game and we continued to approach Florida with that mindset the following three years.

 

[GmanTN]

I'm aware of that, but 1998 was the first year that they approached the Florida game in that fashion, as opposed to being a track meet. Cutcliffe was there for that game and we continued to approach Florida with that mindset the following three years.

So why did Fulmer and Chavis and Cut (2006-2007) go winless against Urban Meyer?

The only Florida coach that Phil had a winning record against was Zook (2-1).

 

[knoxvols1]

Don't forget Fla had 7 turnovers in the 01 game.
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[knoxvols1]

Which happened because Kiffin became the coach because Fulmer was fired. If A=B and B=C, then A=C.[/QU They need you back at the North Pole with the other elves and fairys.
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[Volosaurus rex]

Nothwithstanding the fact that we somehow managed to make it to the SEC championship game in 2007, you know and I know that the overall talent at UT had slid considerably by 2006 and 2007, particularly on defense. The writing was on the wall at that point; Fulmer was no longer recruiting the elite athletes that he was reeling in during the 1990s. Besides, my remarks were comparing Tennessee vs. Florida when Fulmer and Spurrier had their respective programs at the top of their proverbial game.

 

[Big Orange 1]

I asked a question several pages back but have yet to receive an answer. This has nothing to do with Coach Jones because I think he will be very successful here (go on bash away, Grudenites), I would like to know of one good thing that has happened to the football program since the dismissal of one Coach Phillip Fulmer.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

I asked a question several pages back but have yet to receive an answer. This has nothing to do with Coach Jones because I think he will be very successful here (go on bash away, Grudenites), I would like to know of one good thing that has happened to the football program since the dismissal of one Coach Phillip Fulmer.

Not really many but we kicked the crap out of UGA (45-19) and South Carolina (31-13) with Kiffin.

How about you name some good things that happened in Fulmer's last five to six years.

 

[Volosaurus rex]

Not really many but we kicked the crap out of UGA (45-19) and South Carolina (31-13) with Kiffin.

How about you name some good things that happened in Fulmer's last five to six years.

Well, Fulmer was clearly on the downhill slide at this point, but here are a few worthy of note:

2003: Perhaps, in retrospect, the highlight of this period, Tennessee ends Miami's 28-game home winning streak, 10-6. See 2003 - Tennessee Ends Miami's 28 Game Home Winning Streak (Video 2 - 2nd Half) - YouTube . Florida and Alabama were down somewhat, but victories over them (24-10 and 51-43, respectively) should always be celebrated.

2004: Tennessee narrowly defeats Florida, Georgia, and Alabama (30-28, 19-14, and 17-13, respectively). Regardless of the circumstances, how many times have we beaten all three in the same year? Obviously 1998 but I don't know of too many other years. UT goes on to win the SEC East before losing to eventual 13-0 Auburn in the championship game. In the 2005 Cotton Bowl, Tennessee soundly defeats Texas A & M, 38-7.

2005: In a tremendous comeback, Tennessee defeats an LSU team that would finish the season 11-2 by the margin of 30-27.

2006: Tennessee unleashes a world of second-half hurt on Georgia, defeating the Bulldogs 51-33.

2007: Despite losing badly to Alabama and Florida, Tennessee wins the SEC Eastern Division championship.

That's about it. I fully understand your frustration but let's give credit where credit is due.

 

[82_VOL_83]

If I may, let's refine the accuracy of your analysis and break the Fulmer vs. Spurrier debate into three periods:

1992 Fulmer is interim head coach. Tennessee wins 31-14.

1993-1996 Spurrier's true period of dominance in the SEC, which coincides with Danny Wuerffel's tenure as QB. As great a coach as Spurrier is, Wuerffel was the perfect quarterback for his system. Florida is 4-0 vs. Tennessee. Hardly anybody else in the SEC is beating Florida at this time either.

1997-2001 After 1997, Fulmer, Cutcliffe and Chavis hit upon a workable strategy for playing Florida: Don't try to match them score for score in a shootout; it's a recipe for disaster. Shorten the clock, run the ball, play defense, keep it close going into the 4th quarter and try to pull it out at the end.

Results:
1997 Florida 33-20
1998 Tennessee 20-17
1999 Florida 23-21
2000 Florida 27-23
2001 Tennessee 34-32

In the last game, Tennessee pounds Florida mercilessly with its running attack in a game that was not as close as the score indicates. 17-point underdog Tennessee defeats Spurrier in his last home game in the Swamp.

(Tennessee Historical Scores )

Viewed in this context, Spurrier still has the upper hand (7-3) but it breaks down into a tale of two micro-eras, one in which Florida dominates the series for four years, as well as the SEC, thanks in large part to the extraordinary play of Danny Wuerffel, and another in which, for four (I think the number you are looking for here is five) consecutive years, the games were extremely close, very competitive and we went 2-2. In short, Spurrier didn't always get the best of Phil.

:ermm: Math not your strong point I see.....that would be 3-2 FL. Spurrier dominated CPF like NO other coach did.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Find a decade where a coach not named Neyland or Fulmer that was better than the 2000s. I dare you. Then find one that matched the 90s. You won't.

My life is fine. I'm at peace and happy with where my life is so I don't have drag someone who obviously has a lot of success through the mud with me.

Bear Bryant lifetime and Bob Stoops in the 2000's......but other than those two you might have a point.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Well, Fulmer was clearly on the downhill slide at this point, but here are a few worthy of note:

2003: Perhaps, in retrospect, the highlight of this period, Tennessee ends Miami's 28-game home winning streak, 10-6. See 2003 - Tennessee Ends Miami's 28 Game Home Winning Streak (Video 2 - 2nd Half) - YouTube . Florida and Alabama were down somewhat, but victories over them (24-10 and 51-43, respectively) should always be celebrated.

2004: Tennessee narrowly defeats Florida, Georgia, and Alabama (30-28, 19-14, and 17-13, respectively). Regardless of the circumstances, how many times have we beaten all three in the same year? Obviously 1998 but I don't know of too many other years. UT goes on to win the SEC East before losing to eventual 13-0 Auburn in the championship game. In the 2005 Cotton Bowl, Tennessee soundly defeats Texas A & M, 38-7.

2005: In a tremendous comeback, Tennessee defeats an LSU team that would finish the season 11-2 by the margin of 30-27.

2006: Tennessee unleashes a world of second-half hurt on Georgia, defeating the Bulldogs 51-33.

2007: Despite losing badly to Alabama and Florida, Tennessee wins the SEC Eastern Division championship.

That's about it. I fully understand your frustration but let's give credit where credit is due.

Nice. How many relevant trophies during that period by the worlds greatest coach?

 

[99gator]

Bear Bryant lifetime and Bob Stoops in the 2000's......but other than those two you might have a point.

some fellas named bowden, spurrier and osborne won a few games in the 90's

 

[82_VOL_83]

I'm going to laugh my ass off if you fail one time in your job and you get fired. You'll probably whine and complain about how you never got the chance to get back on track and all that, and I'll just laugh and laugh because of your logic regarding Fulmer.

The trend lines would indicate more than a one time failure....