Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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sjrobert said:
PF fought to stay on because of a "large ego," AND wanting to surpass Neyland's all-time win record. Never mind the fact that just winning more than Neyland wouldn't even put him close to Neyland in stature and ability. But, apparently that comparison would have been, or was, lost on him. He "WAS" going downhill, his last four years were 29-22 overall and 17-16 in conference., which works out to about 40 % of his overall losses and 43% of his conference losses in just his last four years (SECCG losses included). What other evidence is needed?
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Fulmer had two seasons of under 8 wins. Two. Majors had 8. And don't give me the line that Majors had to build it up, the Vols won 59 games in the 7 seasons (59-22-2) before Majors, with 7 straight winning seasons. So, why wasn't Majors fired after 2 losing seasons and a .500 in his first 4 years, and after the losing season in '88?
 
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sjrobert said:
PF fought to stay on because of a "large ego," AND wanting to surpass Neyland's all-time win record. Never mind the fact that just winning more than Neyland wouldn't even put him close to Neyland in stature and ability. But, apparently that comparison would have been, or was, lost on him. He "WAS" going downhill, his last four years were 29-22 overall and 17-16 in conference., which works out to about 40 % of his overall losses and 43% of his conference losses in just his last four years (SECCG losses included). What other evidence is needed?
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That comparison is lost on me also. He won in the toughest conference in college football. So you cut and pasted his last four years. Look at the whole body of work. Also, and again, he was 1 year removed from the SECG.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Fulmer had two seasons of under 8 wins. Two. Majors had 8. And don't give me the line that Majors had to build it up, the Vols won 59 games in the 7 seasons (59-22-2) before Majors, with 7 straight winning seasons. So, why wasn't Majors fired after 2 losing seasons and a .500 in his first 4 years, and after the losing season in '88?
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Butts in seats....never was a problem with Majors. Stood in line for 3 days to get Bama tickets when they were beating our asses EVERY year. Now you can't give a Bama ticket away to a Tennessee fan. Believe me, I tried during the later Fulmer years. Got laughed at. Didn't use the tickets because I wouldn't give them to a Bama fan.
 
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volfanecs said:
I agree with that part of your statement. That said, if he was the best, how do you determine it was time for him to step down? If it were you or I and this was the only job we had held for so long, would you not fight to stay on? If CBJ has a really good start, this thread will go away. There is some irony to that. CPF had a great winning record and is fired. CBJ has a winning record and he will be our "savior".
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Didn't pick you for one to selectively pick pieces out of a post. I asked you a question, you chose not to answer. The part of my statement you highlighted had a big WAS in it. For the 3rd time, the trendline below is the definition of was......

Edit: What is amazing about the trendlines below is that the OOC matches the SEC games nearly exactly.
 

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VolsRule said:
who inherited more talent: fulmer, kiffin or dooley?
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Fulmer's replacement, yeah the guy we fired him for, just lost to Ga Tech today. What did they finish 7-6? We're they not pre-season top 3? Talk about pissing away talent.

I've said it a dozen times. Unless you were around to see the General coach, CPF is undoubtedly, cannot be argued, the best coach in your lifetime. Again, it cannot be argued. He was a victim of his own success. I still have a "REPEAT" shirt that was sold at the beginning of the '99 season. Nothing else would be good enough except another NC. Admit it, you know I'm right.

Anybody in their right mind if I told you that Butch Jones was going to go 152-52, throw in an SECC or two and a NC and all of you haters would jump on it like a tick on a dog, don't deny it you know you would. No matter if Spurrier and Saban got the best of him or not.

As far as Fulmer recruiting, look in the NFL for God's sake. 6 pro bowl selections. (5 starters) 25% of the starters in the PRO BOWL were CPF recruits.

This is CBJ's team and I am much more excited about him being here than I ever was about CLK or CDD.

Happy New Year

Go Big Orange!!!!
 
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whobethis16 said:
Majors took over a program that was 11-1, 10-2, 10-2, 8-4, 7-3, 7-5, and 6-5 the last 7 years. That's not a "terrible" program.
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Majors took over in 1977
TN record the previous 3 years.

1974 7-3
1975 7-5
1976 6-5

I call that terrible.

Looks like Battle did the same thing as Fuller did. He allowed the program to deteriorate.
 
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volfanecs said:
Happy New Year Gramps. I thought Johnny was losing when Fulmer took over. Fulmer started winning and then Majors came back and started losing again. Am I remembering wrong?
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Happy New Year to you also VF.

You know better than that.
Majors as HC

1989 11-1 SEC Champions
1990 9-2-2 SEC Champions
1991 9-3

1992 The year Majors had his heart attach and Fulmer stabbed him in the back.

TN was 9-3
Majors is credited for 5-3
Fulmer is credited foe 4-0

Fulmer took over a very strong program.
 
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Gramps said:
Yep , he left plenty of talent. So much that Kiffin had to start walk ons .
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Fulmer left Kitten with the #5 recruiting class of 2007 and was one year removed from the SECCG. Now if you fire any coach in mid-season you have to expect a break in the recruiting. I know Fulmer left a couple of future NFL draftee's and a future pro-bowl pick.

How many walk-on players did we start?

Which starters were walk-on's?
 
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TNGlen said:
Didn't pick you for one to selectively pick pieces out of a post. I asked you a question, you chose not to answer. The part of my statement you highlighted had a big WAS in it. For the 3rd time, the trendline below is the definition of was......

Edit: What is amazing about the trendlines below is that the OOC matches the SEC games nearly exactly.
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1st TNGlen: Happy and safe New Year. I hope we can both celebrate our football team's revival.

I know what you are saying, but out of all the time he coached, did he have to be fired for the last couple tough years? Again, he was 1 year removed from the SECG.
 
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Gramps said:
Happy New Year to you also VF.

You know better than that.
Majors as HC

1989 11-1 SEC Champions
1990 9-2-2 SEC Co-Champions
1991 9-3

1992 The year Majors had his heart attach and Fulmer stabbed him in the back.

TN was 9-3
Majors is credited for 5-3
Fulmer is credited foe 4-0

Fulmer took over a very strong program.
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Fixed it for ya. And lost 7 in a row to Bama, while people complained about Fulmer losing 2. And lost 4 of 5 to Florida (4 of 6 if you count his time away as a win for him).
 
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whobethis16 said:
But how many people give more credit to Cutcliffe for Fulmer's success, but Majors gets all the credit for his?
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Fulmer gets credit for his success and he had a lot of success. Fulmer also gets credit for his failures.

Cut worked for Fulmer. Fulmer was the man.
Fulmer was smart enough to put together very good staffs early on. He gets credit for that. He also gets credit for the Clawfess . He.is the.person that chose to hire Clawson.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
Fulmer left Kitten with the #5 recruiting class of 2007 and was one year removed from the SECCG. Now if you fire any coach in mid-season you have to expect a break in the recruiting. I know Fulmer left a couple of future NFL draftee's and a future pro-bowl pick.

How many walk-on players did we start?

Which starters were walk-on's?
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The twin brothers Cody and Cory Sullins started the last 10 games in 2009 iirc.
Both were OL with.one being the starting center.
 
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VolsRule said:
who inherited more talent: fulmer, kiffin or dooley?
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Kiffin by a mile. Six NFL draft picks and seven NFL'ers overall.

It's a bit of trick question too since Fulmer recruited all the talent he "inherited." Anyone with living memory of era knows the quantum leap Tennessee recruiting took when Johnny made Phil OC and recruiting coordinator.
 
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Gramps said:
The twin brothers Cody and Cory Sullins started the last 10 games in 2009 iirc.
Both were OL with.one being the starting center.
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That's two players. There is always room on a team for good players. Look at J.J. McCleskey. He was a walk-on from Karns HS. Nobody thought he would make it at UT or in the NFL.

At the same time how many did Kitten run off?
 
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