Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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whobethis16 said:
I think Jones is a very good hire, I like him a lot, and think he will build on the stability that Dooley laid (yes, I like Dooley and wish he could've won more). I think he will win more than he loses, but it won't be enough to keep people from calling for his head before his contract runs out.
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Agree 100%.

What he does this Feb will have the most impact on how long he stays. He just doesn't have time on his side. He's got to Recruit Big NOW.
 
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Wylo said:
How many SEC titles since 1998????

ZERO
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How many SEC titles since we fired him?

How many times have we won the big east since we fired him?

How many winning seasons have we had since we fired him?

How many coaches have we had since we fired him?

Heck that 7-5 seasons that got him fired, sure look good too me now after going 5-7, 2 years in a row.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
How many SEC titles since we fired him?

How many times have we won the big east since we fired him?

How many winning seasons have we had since we fired him?

How many coaches have we had since we fired him?

Heck that 7-5 seasons that got him fired, sure look good too me now after going 5-7, 2 years in a row.[/QU It's all a conspiracy! Even though he was winning so many games, playing in all those championship games and turning out all those all pros the last 6-7 years ALL of Volnation and those in power wanted him gone! It wasn't like he was Frank Solich and was loosing all of those games! I mean, I never heard anyone call in on the post game call in shows complain! In fact it seems as though everyone wanted to give him a raise didn't they? After-all he was still beating all of our top rivals like he did in the 90's. It would be different if he had lost control of the program and didn't have player after player arrested! Yep, he should've been left in place.
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whobethis16 said:
I think Jones is a very good hire, I like him a lot, and think he will build on the stability that Dooley laid (yes, I like Dooley and wish he could've won more). I think he will win more than he loses, but it won't be enough to keep people from calling for his head before his contract runs out.
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It's only fair. CPF was treated the same way, if not worse by the "fans".
 
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Vol4life25 said:
How many SEC titles since we fired him?

How many times have we won the big east since we fired him?

How many winning seasons have we had since we fired him?

How many coaches have we had since we fired him?

Heck that 7-5 seasons that got him fired, sure look good too me now after going 5-7, 2 years in a row.
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What 7-5 seasons got Fulmer fired?

2005 record 5-6

2008 record 5-7
 
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Gramps said:
What 7-5 seasons got Fulmer fired?

2005 record 5-6

2008 record 5-7
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Just some numbers to compare.


VS. Top 25

Year G W-L

Fulmer From 1999- 2008 48 20-28 Total for Fulmer 79 41-37-1

2008 4 0-4
2007 6 3-3
2006 5 2-3
2005 5 1-4
2004 5 3-2
2003 3 2-1
2002 5 0-5
2001 5 4-1
2000 5 2-3
1999 5 3-2



1998 6 6-0 Undefeted season 6 6-0

Fulmer From 1992-1997 25 15-1
1997 5 3-2
1996 3 2-1
1995 3 2-1
1994 6 3-3
1993 5 2-2-1
1992 3 3-0

Majors Totals 53 19-29-5

1992 1 0-1
1991 7 4-3
1990 5 2-1-2
1989 4 3-1
1988 4 0-4
1987 2 1-0-1
1986 3 1-2
1985 5 3-1-1
1984 3 0-3
1983 3 2-1
1982 2 1-0-1
1981 3 0-3
1980 5 1-4
1979 3 1-2
1978 3 0-3
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
Just some numbers to compare.


VS. Top 25

Year G W-L

Fulmer

2008 4 0-4 48 20-28 Total for Fulmer 79 41-37-1
2007 6 3-3
2006 5 2-3
2005 5 1-4
2004 5 3-2
2003 3 2-1
2002 5 0-5
2001 5 4-1
2000 5 2-3
1999 5 3-2

1998 6 6-0 6 6-0

1997 5 3-2 25 15-9-1
1996 3 2-1
1995 3 2-1
1994 6 3-3
1993 5 2-2-1
1992 3 3-0

Majors

1992 1 0-1 53 19-29-5
1991 7 4-3
1990 5 2-1-2
1989 4 3-1
1988 4 0-4
1987 2 1-0-1
1986 3 1-2
1985 5 3-1-1
1984 3 0-3
1983 3 2-1
1982 2 1-0-1
1981 3 0-3
1980 5 1-4
1979 3 1-2
1978 3 0-3
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I must've been drinking or smoking too much over the years cause I could've sworn the team played more than 4, 5 or 6 games a season.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
Just some numbers to compare.


VS. Top 25

Year G W-L

Fulmer From 1999- 2008 48 20-28 Total for Fulmer 79 41-37-1

2008 4 0-4
2007 6 3-3
2006 5 2-3
2005 5 1-4
2004 5 3-2
2003 3 2-1
2002 5 0-5
2001 5 4-1
2000 5 2-3
1999 5 3-2



1998 6 6-0 Undefeted season 6 6-0

Fulmer From 1992-1997 25 15-1
1997 5 3-2
1996 3 2-1
1995 3 2-1
1994 6 3-3
1993 5 2-2-1
1992 3 3-0

Majors Totals 53 19-29-5

1992 1 0-1
1991 7 4-3
1990 5 2-1-2
1989 4 3-1
1988 4 0-4
1987 2 1-0-1
1986 3 1-2
1985 5 3-1-1
1984 3 0-3
1983 3 2-1
1982 2 1-0-1
1981 3 0-3
1980 5 1-4
1979 3 1-2
1978 3 0-3
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Doesn't matter. Numbers don't mean anything to some on here. They still think Majors was a godsend, while Fulmer ran the program into a ditch. Yes, his numbers were down from his first years, but in the end, he still only had 2 winless years vs. Majors' 5, and a winning record vs. the top 25 while Majors didn't.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Doesn't matter. Numbers don't mean anything to some on here. They still think Majors was a godsend, while Fulmer ran the program into a ditch. Yes, his numbers were down from his first years, but in the end, he still only had 2 winless years vs. Majors' 5, and a winning record vs. the top 25 while Majors didn't.[/QU Every arguement you make (or try to make) doesn't withstand scruitney due to lack of logic behind them. I.E. Just like this one. Majors had to build a program that was run into the ground such as the program Fulmer left behind!
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knoxvols1 said:
whobethis16 said:
Doesn't matter. Numbers don't mean anything to some on here. They still think Majors was a godsend, while Fulmer ran the program into a ditch. Yes, his numbers were down from his first years, but in the end, he still only had 2 winless years vs. Majors' 5, and a winning record vs. the top 25 while Majors didn't.[/QU Every arguement you make (or try to make) doesn't withstand scruitney due to lack of logic behind them. I.E. Just like this one. Majors had to build a program that was run into the ground such as the program Fulmer left behind!
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And that's why 2/3 the way through Majors' tenure he went 0-4 against the top 25, yet people gave him the chance to recover, but people wanted Fulmer out. Why?
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whobethis16 said:
Doesn't matter. Numbers don't mean anything to some on here. They still think Majors was a godsend, while Fulmer ran the program into a ditch. Yes, his numbers were down from his first years, but in the end, he still only had 2 winless years vs. Majors' 5, and a winning record vs. the top 25 while Majors didn't.
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The state of the program was entirely different with each took over the program.

Majors took over a terrible program and turned it into a winning program.

Fulmer took over a winning program turned it into mediocrity.
 
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Gramps said:
The state of the program was entirely different with each took over the program.

Majors took over a terrible program and turned it into a winning program.

Fulmer took over a winning program turned it into mediocrity.
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Majors took over a program that was 11-1, 10-2, 10-2, 8-4, 7-3, 7-5, and 6-5 the last 7 years. That's not a "terrible" program.
 
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Gramps said:
The state of the program was entirely different with each took over the program.

Majors took over a terrible program and turned it into a winning program.

Fulmer took over a winning program turned it into mediocrity.
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Happy New Year Gramps. I thought Johnny was losing when Fulmer took over. Fulmer started winning and then Majors came back and started losing again. Am I remembering wrong?
 
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volfanecs said:
It is hard to understang firing a Hall of Fame, NC, and the man who built TN into a powerhouse. That is my difficulty.
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So, you are riding Secretariat (fair comparison as far as UT football goes) and he is headed for the edge of Niagra Falls, do you jump before you hit the edge or ride him over hoping against hope that the fall doesn't kill you even though you know the chances are about as good as winning the lottery that you will survive? I understand, you are saying that you would stay in the saddle no matter what it did to the program. We have argued this adnauseum. Yes, he was the best coach/recruiter we had had since the General. Yes, it was time for him to step down gracefully and with honor. From what has been written and said, he refused. Mike Hamilton screwed us for nearly a decade with how he handled CPF saying no.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Who the hell wouldn't feel good about that now?

We've had the worst SECE in a generation since Fulmer was fired. Give Muschamp a helluva pat on the back this year, but Fulmer never coached against a worst Florida team than the last three. All of the East teams, with the exception of Vanderbilt, are down compared to when Fulmer coached against them.

If Crompton could have played like he practiced, Fulmer would still be coach today. We definitely would have been back to Atlanta since.

Now, I can't guarantee we would have won the SECCG. And if that was the reason we fired Fulmer, then ANYONE who wanted Fulmer fired and was not all-in on Gruden is just a damn... well, it's Christmas, so I'll leave it there.
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Yes, mediocre is the new "feel good".
 
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TNGlen said:
So, you are riding Secretariat (fair comparison as far as UT football goes) and he is headed for the edge of Niagra Falls, do you jump before you hit the edge or ride him over hoping against hope that the fall doesn't kill you even though you know the chances are about as good as winning the lottery that you will survive? I understand, you are saying that you would stay in the saddle no matter what it did to the program. We have argued this adnauseum. Yes, he was the best coach/recruiter we had had since the General. Yes, it was time for him to step down gracefully and with honor. From what has been written and said, he refused. Mike Hamilton screwed us for nearly a decade with how he handled CPF saying no.
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I agree with that part of your statement. That said, if he was the best, how do you determine it was time for him to step down? If it were you or I and this was the only job we had held for so long, would you not fight to stay on? If CBJ has a really good start, this thread will go away. There is some irony to that. CPF had a great winning record and is fired. CBJ has a winning record and he will be our "savior".
 
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volfanecs said:
I agree with that part of your statement. That said, if he was the best, how do you determine it was time for him to step down? If it were you or I and this was the only job we had held for so long, would you not fight to stay on? If CBJ has a really good start, this thread will go away. There is some irony to that. CPF had a great winning record and is fired. CBJ has a winning record and he will be our "savior".
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PF fought to stay on because of a "large ego," AND wanting to surpass Neyland's all-time win record. Never mind the fact that just winning more than Neyland wouldn't even put him close to Neyland in stature and ability. But, apparently that comparison would have been, or was, lost on him. He "WAS" going downhill, his last four years were 29-22 overall and 17-16 in conference., which works out to about 40 % of his overall losses and 43% of his conference losses in just his last four years (SECCG losses included). What other evidence is needed?
 
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