Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

[hatvol96]

I don't believe I used the words overrated. I called him unproven. He has had very short tenures thus far. He has been excellent at stepping into a great situation - no doubt, his pitstop coaching jobs have given him ammunition to take the next step. The next few years in the SEC will tell. Let Miami and FSU right the ship with USF and CF stepping up and life will be very tough for the golden one at UF.

Yeah, I'm sure Urban Meyer lies in bed at night wraught with terror about competing for recruits with C-USA powerhouse Central Florida. Why stop with those schools? I'm sure he's petrified of going up against Florida Atlantic and Florida International. Why, given your belief that there is no substantial difference between I-A and I-AA, you should have added FAMU. I bet Meyer thanks the Lord every night that Dave Clawson isn't the head coach at Richmond any longer. The Spiders might have decimated his recruiting classes.

 

[Fine Vol]

Hat you have no respect for the Florida classic?:whistling:

 

[hatvol96]

Where the Hell is the 2008 Get On The SEC Championship Bandwagon Thread? You can never start one of those too early. Is it because nearly a decade without use has rendered said bandwagon inoperable?

 

[lawgator1]

Hat is in rare form today! opcorn:

 

[rexvol]

I really like Dave Clawson...or the idea of Dave Clawson.

see there in lies the rub. we have yet to see anything from him on the Hill and too many people on here want to anoint him the next HC. I thinks it just the idea of anything new on the Hill that people are in love with.

 

[rexvol]

I'll tell you, I don't think Phillip could call this offense if he wanted to...

I wonder if that's enough to stop him from screwing it up or will the unknown cause him to micromanage?

 

[rexvol]

We are 52-25 overall from 2002-2007. We only beat 9 teams that won 9 or more games in any given season during that timeframe (17.3%); beat 30 teams that had a .500 or losing record; and our overall winning percentage during this timeframe is 67.5% - good for 20th in the nation and 5th in the SEC (3rd in the East). We are 32-17 in the SEC during this timeframe, which doesn't look as badly on the surface (not that it's anything to be proud of). But when you consider that 18 of the 32 teams we beat in conference play were 6-6 or worse finishing teams - it's sort of sobering. And here's something to chew on. Of the 14 teams we beat that won 7 or more games, only FOUR of them finished the year with FEWER than FIVE losses.

read this and wanted to vomit.

 

[utmba93]

Oh, okay. Well, utmba has had very little good to say about UF since I've been here. I mean, if UF on the same day cured cancer, found a solution to world hunger, and developed a clean, cheap, and infinitely renewable energy source, utmba would still bitch about us.

I've tipped my hat several times to UF's performance during the Spurrier era. I simply realize that era is OVER! No one was happier to see the Gators hire CUM over CSS than was I--great idea to tell Steve he would have to interview for the job as if he was unknown in Gainesville (brilliant).

If UF did all 3 of the above, that would almost be worth noting. However, having considered that outcome a possiblity, you are now a marked Gator homer. Even I, don't go that far; although I do think UT is more likely to solve the energy problem than is UF. Cancer and world hunger are toss ups.

 

[lawgator1]

I've tipped my hat several times to UF's performance during the Spurrier era. I simply realize that era is OVER!

If UF did all 3 of the above, that would almost be worth noting. However, having considered that outcome a possiblity, you are now a marked Gator homer. Even I, don't go that far; although I do think UT is more likely to solve the energy problem than is UF. Cancer and world hunger are toss ups.

So you liked UF's football team more during Spurrier than lately? I daresay you are alone in that sentiment around here.

 

[rexvol]

SOS & UM have the same number of NC's. SOS owned Phil and Fulmer has yet to be UM. They seem pretty similar to me.

 

[utmba93]

So you liked UF's football team more during Spurrier than lately? I daresay you are alone in that sentiment around here.

I wouldn't call it "liked..." more like "respected."

 

[GoBigOrange86]

No, those people prove some Tennessee fans actually live in reality and possess the ability to reason and think critically. The rest of the fan base does their best to confirm people's notions of Vol fans being backwater, delusional hicks.

It's certainly good to know that anyone who doesn't think like you and toe the "Fire Fulmer" line is a hick who can't properly form thoughts.

 

[gainesvol82]

Back to the original topic if given the opportunity CPF would run the score. He has done it 2 years in a row to GA. Running it up on FL is a different story, but given the opportunity he would esp at home.

The other topic........Tebow has a hell of an arm and is accurate also. He is a beast, and you have to admire him off the field for what he does. This being said I still would have a nice feeling inside after watching Berry our another one of our guys knock the living "poop" out of him, or any other Gator for that matter.

I agree about what he does off the field but what makes you think he is accurate? I have seen him make impressive throws in practice but never in a game situation. Most have been pretty ugly passes where the receiver is wide open. Ainge was a far more impressive passer, even last year.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

It's certainly good to know that anyone who doesn't think like you and toe the "Fire Fulmer" line is a hick who can't properly form thoughts.

That isn't what he said.........

:no:

 

[Rocky-Top 10EC]

I agree about what he does off the field but what makes you think he is accurate? I have seen him make impressive throws in practice but never in a game situation. Most have been pretty ugly passes where the receiver is wide open. Ainge was a far more impressive passer, even last year.

I surely don't have a man crush on him, and Harvin might make him look good, but he can sling the ball down field with power and accuracy.

 

[BigPapaVol]

It's certainly good to know that anyone who doesn't think like you and toe the "Fire Fulmer" line is a hick who can't properly form thoughts.

He didn't say that in the least and I'd say that the dispute with UTMBA is much more than a debate about whether Fulmer should be asked to step aside.

 

[GoBigOrange86]

He didn't say that in the least and I'd say that the dispute with UTMBA is much more than a debate about whether Fulmer should be asked to step aside.

Well that's true, I suppose, as the debate seems to have become more about Urban Meyer than Phillip Fulmer. Regardless, hat's quote was directed at utmba's insistence that he would rather be a Fulmer homer than a shill for Urban Meyer.

I don't dispute like some that Meyer is a fine coach, but it certainly seems that the conversations on this board have moved far beyond being debates and more about being vitriolic name-calling contests.

But that's what's best about the internet!

 

[lawgator1]

There seem to be three camps on this site re: Meyer:

1) Good coach. 30 %

2) Overrated coach. 50 %

3) Unknown coach. 20 %

At the same time, there seem to be two camps about Fulmer here:

1) Great coach 50 %

2) Has been 50 %

No point to it. Just an observation.

 

[KB5252]

There seem to be three camps on this site re: Meyer:

1) Good coach. 30 %

2) Overrated coach. 50 %

3) Unknown coach. 20 %

At the same time, there seem to be two camps about Fulmer here:

1) Great coach 50 %

2) Has been 50 %

No point to it. Just an observation.

There are plenty here that would fall somewhere in between those two categories.

 

[General Jack]

Well this is what I think. Both Saban and Meyer are high profile coaches fueled by media expected to win big games and when they barely win it's a reason for critism. That said CPF has always been a win with honor guy and he will not slam someone if he can win without embarrassing them. This IMO is dangerous against these two programs, because either of them would surely do it to us. Would he?...probably not...should he?...you better believe it. Ask Bob Stoops about close games in the big 12 giving officials the opportunity to influence outcomes with 1 bad call. He said 2 seasons ago and I'm paraphrasing because I don't recall the direct quote and can't find it...''When you play Oklahoma from now on, defend yourself because if we can hang 70 on you we will. I won't lose another game over a bad call.'' Coaches Meyer and Saban would, don't you doubt it.

Good post and good points.

 

[General Jack]

Additionally, in the popularity contest known as the BCS, you do get style points. So... first priority is to win... and if you get the chance, win big.... especially if you're due some payback.

I would have no problem humiliating CUM if we had the chance.

 

[lawgator1]

There are plenty here that would fall somewhere in between those two categories.

I don't know about that. People seem awfully polarized to me about Fulmer. They love him or they hate him at this point and I don't see that many fence-sitters anymore.

Of course, those that have made up their minds one way or the other are going to be the most vocal, so that may skew the appearance of a stark contrast.

 

[KB5252]

I don't know about that. People seem awfully polarized to me about Fulmer. They love him or they hate him at this point and I don't see that many fence-sitters anymore.

Of course, those that have made up their minds one way or the other are going to be the most vocal, so that may skew the appearance of a stark contrast.

That is the main reason. I am on the fence with him and try to stay out of discussions.

 

[UT IE 95]

That's only because board decorum rules prohibit people from calling people like you and MBA what you really are.

Don't include the general population of people in your little ego rants.

If you have a personal problem with me based on my opinions about UT or sports in general posted on this sight and feel it can not posted in the forum, feel free to PM me.

 

[UT IE 95]

That is the main reason. I am on the fence with him and try to stay out of discussions.

My evaluation of Fulmer occurs between the end of the season and before signing day. Once we pass signing day, complaining about the coach of any team is wasted effort.

As an example, after the 2005 season I would have been quite content to find another coach. In fact, I sent ADMH a detailed letter explaining that a losing season at UT is unacceptable and should not be viewed as acceptable by keeping the head coach. My opinion must not have made much difference in his decision.