Fulmer debate extravaganza (merged)

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volfanbill said:
there's a lot more on this board that you do that is opposite of the picture you just painted of yourself. Actually the way you love to describe yourself shows more about you. And for the final time, this has nothing to do with your negativity towards the football team's performance or lack thereof. It's your negativity towards people's character and personal problems that i'm bringing into question

But i'm done with this. You can live whatever life however you want to. Just please watch how you handle yourself on this board and remember it's a part of your life too just as your center(s) are.
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How I love to describe myself? You better believe that I love to describe myself as a minister, as a Christian, because what you cant possibly appreciate is the ten years of misery I endured. The ten years where I described myself as failure, a crackhead, a junkie, a thief, a thug, a felon, and a loser.
 
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rexvol said:
How I love to describe myself? You better believe that I love to describe myself as a minister, as a Christian, because what you cant possibly appreciate is the ten years of misery I endured. The ten years where I described myself as failure, a crackhead, a junkie, a thief, a thug, a felon, and a loser.
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Rex, you and I have much in common. Just about the only difference is that I never used crack,(along with heroin and meth). Other than that I used about every other drug out there. I even stole from the people that loved me most. I am just glad that my grandfather lived long enough to see me change, get married and have a beautiful daughter. If people out there need any proof of God's grace just look at me. After all I did, he still blessed me with a beautiful daughter despite all my short comings.
 
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Fine Vol said:
What has Mark Richt done?
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My feelings exactly, in Georgia he's practically worshipped like a hero, if he was in Knoxville I think he would be getting the same treatment as Fulmer.

What Mark Richt has really done is to schedule an easy out of conference schedule, and find a less demanding fan base.

Since he arrived in the SEC, Richt is 40-16 in SEC games and won the East three times. Fulmer is 39-17 in the same span and has also won the East 3 times. (and this includes are humiliating 2005 season)

Under Richt, Georgia is 32-3 in non-conference games and the Vols are only 24-10 during that same time. The Vols have played many big name teams home and away but the Bulldogs have not played a regular season non-SEC game out of the state of Georgia in that entire time.

Richt has never beat Florida and Tennessee in the same season, and he's lost 3 of the last 4 to Fulmer. Vols fans wouldn't be satisfied at all with that, but it makes Richt a top ten coach, apparently.
 
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KB5252 said:
Rex, you and I have much in common. Just about the only difference is that I never used crack,(along with heroin and meth). Other than that I used about every other drug out there. I even stole from the people that loved me most. I am just glad that my grandfather lived long enough to see me change, get married and have a beautiful daughter. If people out there need any proof of God's grace just look at me. After all I did, he still blessed me with a beautiful daughter despite all my short comings.
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I was in prison when my grandfather died and I didnt get to attend the funeral. To make matters worse, everyone kept asking my dad where I was and he had to tell them that his only son was locked up. On top of all that my mom retired after 40 years with the same company and they gave her a set of silver candlesticks with her initials on them. I stole them and sold them for dope. I went through seven secular treatment programs and relapsed the day I completed each one. Bill takes a backhanded shot at me about how "I love to describe myself" and Im telling everyone that will listen about the way I am now. Sure, Im not perfect, there was only one man without sin. I make mistakes now, but they're a whole lot different than the mistakes I used to make.
 
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Morbid obesity—sometimes called "clinically severe obesity"—is defined as being 100 lbs. or more over ideal body weight or having a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 40 or higher.
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Rex, I get it. Phil is overweight. We all know it. But he clearly is not "morbidly obese" . . . and don't argue with me about this . . . I'm an expert at being obese.
 
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Volmania said:
My feelings exactly, in Georgia he's practically worshipped like a hero, if he was in Knoxville I think he would be getting the same treatment as Fulmer.

What Mark Richt has really done is to schedule an easy out of conference schedule, and find a less demanding fan base.

That span you quote conveniently leaves out the SEC championships. Simply put, if Phil has achieved what Richt has achieved over those same years we would not be having this conversation. I know I personally would be fat (sorry) and happy. The Georgia program right now, in stock market vernacular, is a "buy". The UT program under Phil is at best a "hold", with maybe some of the smart money recommending a "sell". Championships are what people remember. That's what gives you bragging rights. Records and all of the other things get lost in the annals of dusty, unremembered history.
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Volmania said:
Richt has never beat Florida and Tennessee in the same season, and he's lost 3 of the last 4 to Fulmer. Vols fans wouldn't be satisfied at all with that, but it makes Richt a top ten coach, apparently.
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But he's won SEC Championships during his tenure so far.

If Fulmer had a couple of SEC Championships this decade(01/04, 01/07, 01/07), there wouldn't be any uproar about his performance.
 
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VolzRChamps said:
So ignore 146 wins because of 3 losses? Wow
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I don't think it's summed up that easily. It's the whole body of work the past 9 years. The performance against top teams, not just losing, but getting plastered so many times. But in essence, it's the championships. If you want to be lumped with the big boys, you have to win them. There have been lots of SECCG losers. Who remembers them for anything else but being losers? Want to be on the national stage? Championships. Chickfila bowl championships (if we should be so lucky) and SECCG game appearances won't do it.
 
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I've always thought the BMI Index didn't take enough criteria into account. I'm obese according to it and I'm not even fat. I have a little bit of a beer gut, but I'm in excellent shape.

Just for a comparison Jamal Lewis is 5'11 and 245 pounds. He is also according to the BMI obese.
 
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So yes, you're pretty much ignoring the wins and focusing on the SEC Championship losses.

You didn't mention the big wins at all. You didn't mention ending one of the longest home winning streaks in college football in Miami, you didn't mention giving Spurrier his last home loss in Gainesville, you didnt mention beating Florida with two freshmen QBs, you didn't mention going to Georgia and winning against a top 3 team and then two years later going back at night and hanging 51 points on them.

You mention getting "plastered so many times" yet in the last nine years, Tennessee has lost by more than 14 points only 10 out of 104 games (4 of those in one year, 02).

Of those 10 games, Tennessee lost to 6 teams in the top 10 and all 10 were ranked. Half of the 10 losses were played away from Neyland Stadium.

I'm sorry, I understand we havent been able to celebrate as many Championships as we would all like, but that doesn't mean that Phil should be on a hot seat either.
 
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billbattle said:
I don't think it's summed up that easily. It's the whole body of work the past 9 years. The performance against top teams, not just losing, but getting plastered so many times. But in essence, it's the championships. If you want to be lumped with the big boys, you have to win them. There have been lots of SECCG losers. Who remembers them for anything else but being losers? Want to be on the national stage? Championships. Chickfila bowl championships (if we should be so lucky) and SECCG game appearances won't do it.
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AMEN :rock:
 
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Since 2001 UT has not fielded a team remotely capable of winning a national championship...of course it wasn't likely in 2001, but the team was championship caliber.

Since then it has been piece meal. The sum of the parts haven't added up. This year, UT has offensive weapons with an unproven QB on offense, and a shaky defensive line. I am not counting on Victor Thomas, Donald Langley, and Walter fisher to hold the middle of the defensive line.

If they can, this could be a good season. However, the fact that we don't have a consistent dominant presence on the DL excludes this team from elite status from the start.

So....the burden of proof is on CPF. When we Vol fans see another team that looks like a real contender?
 
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Lexvol said:
Since 2001 UT has not fielded a team remotely capable of winning a national championship...of course it wasn't likely in 2001, but the team was championship caliber.

Since then it has been piece meal. The sum of the parts haven't added up. This year, UT has offensive weapons with an unproven QB on offense, and a shaky defensive line. I am not counting on Victor Thomas, Donald Langley, and Walter fisher to hold the middle of the defensive line.

If they can, this could be a good season. However, the fact that we don't have a consistent dominant presence on the DL excludes this team from elite status from the start.

So....the burden of proof is on CPF. When we Vol fans see another team that looks like a real contender?
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Im trying my best to refrain from poking fun at Phil's weight and then you use the word "meal" in your observations.
 
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Interestingly, and not surprisingly the anti Fulmer crowd doesn't touch my post highlighting some of the wins of the past 9 yrs.
 
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VolzRChamps said:
Interestingly, and not surprisingly the anti Fulmer crowd doesn't touch my post highlighting some of the wins of the past 9 yrs.
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Whats to touch? One could also compile a list of lowlights over the same period, and it would be just as long. To me, statistics are just that, statistics. It looks good on the coach's resume if he has a nice looking winning pct., but the bottom line is championships. What top tier program goes into a season with a goal of "winning 89.5% of our games"? Ask Georgia and they say the NC. Ask Florida and they would say the same. Ask USC, Ohio St., Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, they would all state their goal of at least winning their conference. So what are our goals, and what measure of success would render our season as meeting that goal? Or have our goals diminished to the point where padding our winning pct. is acceptable?
 
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billbattle said:
Whats to touch? One could also compile a list of lowlights over the same period, and it would be just as long. To me, statistics are just that, statistics. It looks good on the coach's resume if he has a nice looking winning pct., but the bottom line is championships. What top tier program goes into a season with a goal of "winning 89.5% of our games"? Ask Georgia and they say the NC. Ask Florida and they would say the same. Ask USC, Ohio St., Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, they would all state their goal of at least winning their conference. So what are our goals, and what measure of success would render our season as meeting that goal? Or have our goals diminished to the point where padding our winning pct. is acceptable?
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It's ok to WANT Championships, but it's not OK to attack the character of a man that wins a high majority of his games as a coach and does his job in so many other areas. It's not OK to make fat jokes and act like 13 yr olds because we as fans won't have the "bragging rights" to pull for a National Champion. What else happens when the Vols win? Do you get money in your pocket? Do you get days off from work? Do you get anything at all other than satisfaction as a fan that your team has done well and acheived? Then why attack a man's career and lifeling commitment because you didn't get to brag AS MUCH for the last ___ years? My point in showing the big wins, is that those are things that the fanbase should be able to brag about and be happy for. When you as a fan have reached a point that ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS CHAMPIONSHIPS, you haven't grown complacent, you have grown unrealistic.
 
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VolzRChamps said:
It's ok to WANT Championships, but it's not OK to attack the character of a man that wins a high majority of his games as a coach and does his job in so many other areas. It's not OK to make fat jokes and act like 13 yr olds because we as fans won't have the "bragging rights" to pull for a National Champion. What else happens when the Vols win? Do you get money in your pocket? Do you get days off from work? Do you get anything at all other than satisfaction as a fan that your team has done well and acheived? Then why attack a man's career and lifeling commitment because you didn't get to brag AS MUCH for the last ___ years? My point in showing the big wins, is that those are things that the fanbase should be able to brag about and be happy for. When you as a fan have reached a point that ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS CHAMPIONSHIPS, you haven't grown complacent, you have grown unrealistic.
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When you have reached the point of 9 years going on ten without an SEC championship you have a historical deficit. Complacency is certainly applicable when describing such a shortcoming.
 
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VolzRChamps said:
Interestingly, and not surprisingly the anti Fulmer crowd doesn't touch my post highlighting some of the wins of the past 9 yrs.
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because it's a tired debate and you're late to the party.

Generally, if you're still singing the praises of CPF, the debate isn't worth the effort, but for you to assume there's not some energy on the other side, you're dead wrong.
 
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