Fulmer Debate II

[volfanecs]

See, my whole point here, is to expose those of you who ignorantly believe Fulmer should still be our coach. I haven't disparage him personally, but most everyone in this world who runs a course of great success will at some point start a downward trend. That started for this progam in 2002. I didn't expect instant success when Fulmer was fired. Regardless of whom we might have hired for the job. There were huge holes in the system. As it has turned out, the rebuild is going to take some time. I am ok with it. I understand the process. Do I wish we have gotten LUCKY and made the right hire in 2008? ABSOLUTELY, but we didn't and then in 2010, we were directly behind the 8 ball when Kiffin bolted for SC. As it turned out again, we made a shiiiity hire. Regardless, no one was going to get us back to national relevance immediately. It takes some time to get rid of a sour stench. Talent and depth were huge issues at the end of 2008. It would have taken Saban at least 3-4 years to get us competing for national championships. He did in two at Alabama, mostly because they were in better condition in terms of talent and depth in 2006 when Shula was fired than we were in 2008 when Philip was fired.

As far as golf goes, I give you a hard time because you often speak like an expert and based on what you post, I know that is far from the truth. You're too fun and too easy.

Do you ever stop?

 

[114VOL]

"Ass beatings" deemed as more than 14 points, or two scores.

"Biggest rivals" deemed as Florida, Bama, and UGA, since those are our actual "big rivals".

2002: ok, lost all three badly to our biggest rivals but only two at home (florida 30-13, Bama 34-14)

2003: one, UGA 41-14.

2004: Auburn is not one of our biggest rivals, so therefore no "ass beatings by our biggest rivals at home".

2005: Notre Dame is not a "biggest rival", but was on the road.

2006: no one "beat our asses at home", a 1 point loss to Florida and a 4 point loss to LSU.

2007: undefeated at home, so therefore no "ass beatings at home"

2008: Florida and Bama were bad (30-6 and 29-9).

So let's see here, 5 "ass beatings by our biggest rivals at home", with 2 coming in 2002 and 2 in 2008 constitutes an ass beating by our biggest rivals at home every year? Try again.

Auburn has historically been a rival of UT so I suppose your ignorance on that fact is explainable by either your relatively young age or a perpetuated lifelong mental funk

 

[114VOL]

Do you ever stop?

On this topic, NO. I am having too much fun handing you your azzes:yes:

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

If you disregard the fact that Majors came to the program when the cupboard was as bare on talent as it is now and Fulmer came when the cupboard was loaded with talent and allowed it to become bare again, then you have a strong argument for Fulmer.

Two first round draft picks, four additional draft picks, no less than THREE NFL QBs, two guys who went undrafted but made rosters, at least 1 consensus All-SEC performer who did not make the NFL.

That's what Kiffin inherited. Is there any wonder why we have become progressively worse since Hambone fired Fulmer?

 

[vol_in_ar]

On this topic, NO. I am having too much fun handing you your azzes:yes:

152-52 and a National Championship, nuff said, so you can shut your pie hole

 

[govols/cc]

On this topic, NO. I am having too much fun handing you your azzes:yes:

You're just too stupid to see how stupid you are. We're on the worst stretch of UT football ever since Fulmer left so any argument you have just makes you look even dumber.

 

[whobethis16]

Auburn has historically been a rival of UT so I suppose your ignorance on that fact is explainable by either your relatively young age or a perpetuated lifelong mental funk

That ended back in the 80s. That's like saying Arkansas is a rival today just because prior to 2002 they played every year. You're like the guy that claimed Miami was a rival of Tennessee.

 

[Boston Vol]

Two first round draft picks, four additional draft picks, no less than THREE NFL QBs, two guys who went undrafted but made rosters, at least 1 consensus All-SEC performer who did not make the NFL.

That's what Kiffin inherited. Is there any wonder why we have become progressively worse since Hambone fired Fulmer?

We've become progressively worse because we didn't hire Brian Kelly of Gary Patterson. Fulmer was done. His 2009 recruiting class, save Boyd and Swearinger, would have been a disaster.

 

[whobethis16]

Auburn has historically been a rival of UT so I suppose your ignorance on that fact is explainable by either your relatively young age or a perpetuated lifelong mental funk

But, I still proved your "getting our asses beat by our biggest rivals at home every year" claim was completely wrong.

 

[whobethis16]

We've become progressively worse because we didn't hire Brian Kelly of Gary Patterson. Fulmer was done. His 2009 recruiting class, save Boyd and Swearinger, would have been a disaster.

Impossible to prove because he never got a chance to finish it. You may think that, but no guarantees.

 

[Boston Vol]

Impossible to prove because he never got a chance to finish it. You may think that, but no guarantees.

Look at the players who were committed when he was fired. Jarvis Giles, Jeron Stokes, Kevin Revis, Aubrey Phillips, Edwin Herbert, Jonathan Hollins, Naz Oliver, Nigel Mitchell Thorton, Jerod Askew, Damien Thogpen. Yes he probably would have signed Marlon Brown, but we all saw what he did at UGA.

 

[114VOL]

Two first round draft picks, four additional draft picks, no less than THREE NFL QBs, two guys who went undrafted but made rosters, at least 1 consensus All-SEC performer who did not make the NFL.

That's what Kiffin inherited. Is there any wonder why we have become progressively worse since Hambone fired Fulmer?

Name the QBs and where they stand on depth charts in the NFL. Do you even remember how bad our QB play was in 2008 and the first part of 2009? Regardless of your childlike ignorance, you were able to name a small handful of players. Some of whom were severe underperformers while at UT. Would you like to compare the rosters, position by position including starters and depth, of the 1992 team vs. the 2008 team?

Take a look at where we stood among active players on NFL rosters in 2002. Look at our rank now. Case closed.

Fulmer is never coming back to coach US. I can actually say US in reality, unlike you. His firing was righteous whether you want to acknowledge it or not, regardless of subsequent hires.

I won't get into the FACTS of him not being able to land another HC job anywhere of significance. No one wanted him for a reason. Good guy, but ran his course as a coach of a ready built program.

 

[whobethis16]

Look at the players who were committed when he was fired. Jarvis Giles, Jeron Stokes, Kevin Revis, Aubrey Phillips, Edwin Herbert, Jonathan Hollins, Naz Oliver, Nigel Mitchell Thorton, Jerod Askew, Damien Thogpen. Yes he probably would have signed Marlon Brown, but we all saw what he did at UGA.

Still too many question marks. You don't know what these kids may have done under Fulmer's staff, what could've happened with the players that were already here, etc. Just because these players did not do well where they went is not exclusive proof they wouldn't be good here. Crompton did not do well under Clawson but excelled under Kiffin. Same concept.

 

[whobethis16]

Name the QBs and where they stand on depth charts in the NFL. Do you even remember how bad our QB play was in 2008 and the first part of 2009? Regardless of your childlike ignorance, you were able to name a small handful of players. Some of whom were severe underperformers while at UT. Would you like to compare the rosters, position by position including starters and depth, of the 1992 team vs. the 2008 team?

Take a look at where we stood among active players on NFL rosters in 2002. Look at our rank now. Case closed.

Fulmer is never coming back to coach US. I can actually say US in reality, unlike you. His firing was righteous whether you want to acknowledge it or not, regardless of subsequent hires.

I won't get into the FACTS of him not being able to land another HC job anywhere of significance. No one wanted him for a reason. Good guy, but ran his course as a coach of a ready built program.

And you don't know the FACTS about how strongly he really truly pushed to get a coaching job. You speculate and use media that on more than one occasion takes a quote and blows it out of proportion and context.

 

[Boston Vol]

Still too many question marks. You don't know what these kids may have done under Fulmer's staff, what could've happened with the players that were already here, etc. Just because these players did not do well where they went is not exclusive proof they wouldn't be good here. Crompton did not do well under Clawson but excelled under Kiffin. Same concept.

Fulmer's last staff sucked. Stan Drayton, LaTrell Scott, Jimmy Ray Stephens, Jason Michael, Larry Slade, Greg Adkins. Yeah kind of hard for me to believe that staff would have coached anybody up.

 

[vol_in_ar]

Name the QBs and where they stand on depth charts in the NFL. Do you even remember how bad our QB play was in 2008 and the first part of 2009? Regardless of your childlike ignorance, you were able to name a small handful of players. Some of whom were severe underperformers while at UT. Would you like to compare the rosters, position by position including starters and depth, of the 1992 team vs. the 2008 team?

Take a look at where we stood among active players on NFL rosters in 2002. Look at our rank now. Case closed.

Fulmer is never coming back to coach US. I can actually say US in reality, unlike you. His firing was righteous whether you want to acknowledge it or not, regardless of subsequent hires.

I won't get into the FACTS of him not being able to land another HC job anywhere of significance. No one wanted him for a reason. Good guy, but ran his course as a coach of a ready built program.

exactly why Fulmer was fired, he hired Clawful and he tried a new offensive line scheme, and absolutely couldn't call a game....

See UCLA and Auburn has examples

 

[114VOL]

But, I still proved your "getting our asses beat by our biggest rivals at home every year" claim was completely wrong.

No you didn't. You found one year, 2007. One which we got beat 59-20 and 41-17(by a 6-6 Alabama team) by our two biggest rivals.

It's amazing the insignificant things you know-nothings cling to in your ignorant defense of how Fulmer should still be our coach.

 

[whobethis16]

Fulmer's last staff sucked. Stan Drayton, LaTrell Scott, Jimmy Ray Stephens, Jason Michael, Larry Slade, Greg Adkins. Yeah kind of hard for me to believe that staff would have coached anybody up.

The whole defensive staff was together since 1999, so that argument fails because they had some very good defenses. And then, you don't know if Fulmer would've kept Clawson and that staff, so whoever came in may have done wonders. As I said, too many questions.

 

[whobethis16]

No you didn't. You found one year, 2007. One which we got beat 59-20 and 41-17(by a 6-6 Alabama team) by our two biggest rivals.

It's amazing the insignificant things you know-nothings cling to in your ignorant defense of how Fulmer should still be our coach.

Your exact words were "got our asses beat by our biggest rivals AT HOME" moron. I took exactly what you said and proved you wrong. If you just said "beat badly", then I'd be more inclined to agree with you, but you didn't, and now you're trying to cover your tracks.

 

[whobethis16]

No you didn't. You found one year, 2007. One which we got beat 59-20 and 41-17(by a 6-6 Alabama team) by our two biggest rivals.

It's amazing the insignificant things you know-nothings cling to in your ignorant defense of how Fulmer should still be our coach.

2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007 had no losses AT HOME,as you so emphatically tried to argue, by more than 14 points. So, therefore, you were wrong saying "got our asses beat by our biggest rivals at home every year".

 

[whobethis16]

2004 might have been Fulmer's best coaching job in any one season. Still, in not ONE SINGLE season from 2002-2008 were the Vols ever a national contender.

I will dare to raise anything I wish to in this debate. See, you fail to recognize the FACT that during the 2002-2008 stretch, we began a massive slide defending ourselves at home in Neyland Stadium. A 41-14 shellacking from Georgia, in which the team gave completely up in the second half(a bad habit we fell into during these years), slides right past you in your extremely narrow world of University of Tennesse football. From 2002-2008, we routinely got our azzes beat at least once a year AT HOME by our biggest rivals.

I see you forget to mention the azz beating we took from an unranked Clemson team after the 2003 season.

Lookie here, you said "routinely got our azzes beat at least once a year AT HOME by our biggest rivals" and you were wrong.

 

[volfanecs]

On this topic, NO. I am having too much fun handing you your azzes:yes:

Like a boxer judging his own fight.

 

[volfanecs]

No you didn't. You found one year, 2007. One which we got beat 59-20 and 41-17(by a 6-6 Alabama team) by our two biggest rivals.

It's amazing the insignificant things you know-nothings cling to in your ignorant defense of how Fulmer should still be our coach.

Your sentence structure is truly amazing. lol:

 

[whobethis16]

No you didn't. You found one year, 2007. One which we got beat 59-20 and 41-17(by a 6-6 Alabama team) by our two biggest rivals.

It's amazing the insignificant things you know-nothings cling to in your ignorant defense of how Fulmer should still be our coach.

Just face it. You got yourself twisted up more than Col. Jessup (aka Jack Nicholson in "A Few Good Men" or is that reference too far back for someone as young as I am to be able to make?) and now you're trying to dig yourself out of quicksand.

 

[114VOL]

2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007 had no losses AT HOME,as you so emphatically tried to argue, by more than 14 points. So, therefore, you were wrong saying "got our asses beat by our biggest rivals at home every year".

Are you forgetting the azz beating we took by Auburn? In Fulmer's defense, Auburn was the best team in the country that year

Yourrebuttals are silly and that of a know-nothing. Vanderbilt beat us at home too. Do you not get it?

Apparently not. Fulmer isn't our coach for good reason.