Fulmer Debate II

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VolsSportsFan said:
Seriously? He thought trotting out Dooley would be a big splash or something?

I mean it was a big splash but not in the way he intended.
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Hamilton apparently thought that, in the wake of everything Kiffin, Tennessee fans would react positively to a comfortable, respectful southern guy. And they did. He had an accent and a familiar name, and all he did was stand up there and talk about how great Tennessee was. Go back and look up the threads from the night Dooley was hired; the reaction to that press conference was overwhelmingly positive.

Unfortunately that seems to have been his main criterion for hiring a coach.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Hamilton apparently thought that, in the wake of everything Kiffin, Tennessee fans would react positively to a comfortable, respectful southern guy. And they did. He had an accent and a familiar name, and all he did was stand up there and talk about how great Tennessee was. Go back and look up the threads from the night Dooley was hired; the reaction to that press conference was overwhelmingly positive.

Unfortunately that seems to have been his main criterion for hiring a coach.
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Oh trust me, I remember all of it. People were actually praising him for using the word "britches". People started threads about how he was the right guy because he "wanted it" and stories about visiting sick kids or something; while admirable it had jack squat to do with whether he was a good coach or not.

I remember almost throwing up when I heard he got the job.
 
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I understand all the criticism of Fulmer. I do.

He spoiled us. Fans got use to winning. He had a couple bad years and boom. He was let go. (A mistake IMO)

He averaged a seccg every 3 years. And whether some of you like it or not he is still a vol

14,000,000+ million, with new staff since his dismissal.


As far as sumlin. Let's see if he sticks around after manziel is gone. I bet he bolts.

Ie: urban/tebow
 
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Obsessed said:
I understand all the criticism of Fulmer. I do.

He spoiled us. Fans got use to winning. He had a couple bad years and boom. He was let go. (A mistake IMO)

He averaged a seccg every 3 years. And whether some of you like it or not he is still a vol

14,000,000+ million, with new staff since his dismissal.


As far as sumlin. Let's see if he sticks around after manziel is gone. I bet he bolts.

Ie: urban/tebow
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Sumlin has the top QB coming in 2014. He'll stick around.

As for Fulmer, winning the division really isn't that much of a biggie since he only had to beat 5 other teams to do it. It's not like winning the conference. The wheels started coming off after that hideous 2002 debacle that the Fulmerites conveniently sweep under the rug (remember the Peach Bowl game against Maryland)? We have not had a very good team since 2001 - and that is a friggin crime.
 
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This entire thread is absurd. Coach Fulmer's record is very clear. UT's record since his firing is also clear. From simply a business perspective, Fulmer's firing has proven to be an absolute disaster for the program and the University. I have read nothing but speculation about where the program was going to support it. We were simply in a natural down swing in the program as happens to all programs and with Fulmer's firing we royally screwed the pooch for an as of yet undetermined amount of time. The fact that folks who want to justify his firing have to rely on conjecture and what if's regarding his last couple of years says everything. How about we all just let it go and get on with trying to rebuild a fanbase and let Coach Jones rebuild a team. If progress is not fast enough for you remember we the fans and the University have no one to blame but ourselves.
 
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Fulmer still ain't got no job guys.

Let's see if anyone goes after sweater vest. That'll get rid of the "too old" argument. They're close in age.
 
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MedicT said:
I agree. FIVE years after the fact and people are still trying to justify letting Fulmer go. That's all that needs to be said.
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And trying to justify the "I told you so" argument. Nobody has changed their mind in 5 years.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Oh trust me, I remember all of it. People were actually praising him for using the word "britches". People started threads about how he was the right guy because he "wanted it" and stories about visiting sick kids or something; while admirable it had jack squat to do with whether he was a good coach or not.

I remember almost throwing up when I heard he got the job.
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Remember before that? I honestly thought Cut was coming back.... Him with Bray?????? Would have love to seen that duo.
 
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It's amazing how many people will disrespect the Tennessee program and what it's capable of to justify their pathetic fears.

As if 29-21 is so much better than 23-27. As if 1-7 vs Florida and Alabama is so much better than 0-8. As if two trips to the Outback Bowl is so much better than a Peach Bowl and a Music City Bowl.

Yeah, it's really hard to look back to the end of the Fulmer era with any nostalgia at all.
 
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I will say that the way Fulmer was done wasn't right---he deserved to go out on his own terms. However, the fact is the conference got better while we slowly fell off the map, and the recruiting definitely slipped way down. Kiffin and Dooley further extended the crappy recruiting. I think the fact that CBJ has been able to draw a top class here so far has been extremely encouraging...even before coaching a game. He obviously can sell the brand.
 
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MedicT said:
This entire thread is absurd. Coach Fulmer's record is very clear. UT's record since his firing is also clear. From simply a business perspective, Fulmer's firing has proven to be an absolute disaster for the program and the University. I have read nothing but speculation about where the program was going to support it. We were simply in a natural down swing in the program as happens to all programs and with Fulmer's firing we royally screwed the pooch for an as of yet undetermined amount of time. The fact that folks who want to justify his firing have to rely on conjecture and what if's regarding his last couple of years says everything. How about we all just let it go and get on with trying to rebuild a fanbase and let Coach Jones rebuild a team. If progress is not fast enough for you remember we the fans and the University have no one to blame but ourselves.
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People who say he would have us competing are doing the exact same thing.
 
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volswillrise12 said:
I will say that the way Fulmer was done wasn't right---he deserved to go out on his own terms. However, the fact is the conference got better while we slowly fell off the map, and the recruiting definitely slipped way down. Kiffin and Dooley further extended the crappy recruiting. I think the fact that CBJ has been able to draw a top class here so far has been extremely encouraging...even before coaching a game. He obviously can sell the brand.
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Fulmer was asked to retire . He said no. He was asked to resign. He said no He made UT fire him. Was he thinking of the University? Must not have been, because under the first two scenarios offered to him, his payout wouldn't have been so high. As it turned out by being fired, he got 6,000,000. Poor guy. He was treated awfully by the University...LOL..he thought of nothing but himself the day after the SC game. He also wanted the PC with Vicky in tow. While they didn't have to do the PC, they allowed him to do it.

That's how it went down. So while I do believe he loves the University with all his heart, the last years of his tenure were all about himself. What about in 2005 when reporters would have the temerity to ask him why they were playing so badly? All we heard were defensive comebacks like, " I didn't forget how to coach" and "we've won some big games here"....

He made it perfectly clear in public about his quest to coach again. Details of his interview at Kansas were made public. IT was embarrassing to him. Google it and learn some things. Oh, yeah, the "I'm interviewing schools as much as they're interviewing me" public comment didn't help himself. When the Notre Dame job came open, he was interested per his public comments. They never gave him a sniff. Wonder why?

He did a lot of great things for the program, no doubt. I respect him for it, but it was time for the program to move on without him. Those who believe he should have been retained are either tied too tightly to him emotionally or they are ignorant of his career track and record and how he was at the helm when this thing started sliding into the ditch
 
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tvolsfan said:
It's amazing how many people will disrespect the Tennessee program and what it's capable of to justify their pathetic fears.

As if 29-21 is so much better than 23-27. As if 1-7 vs Florida and Alabama is so much better than 0-8. As if two trips to the Outback Bowl is so much better than a Peach Bowl and a Music City Bowl.

Yeah, it's really hard to look back to the end of the Fulmer era with any nostalgia at all.
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Any New Years Day bowl beats any bowl before that. And winning a New Years bowl obviously trumps it.
 
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114VOL said:
Fulmer was asked to retire . He said no. He was asked to resign. He said no He made UT fire him. Was he thinking of the University? Must not have been, because under the first two scenarios offered to him, his payout wouldn't have been so high. As it turned out by being fired, he got 6,000,000. Poor guy. He was treated awfully by the University...LOL..he thought of nothing but himself the day after the SC game. He also wanted the PC with Vicky in tow. While they didn't have to do the PC, they allowed him to do it.

That's how it went down. So while I do believe he loves the University with all his heart, the last years of his tenure were all about himself. What about in 2005 when reporters would have the temerity to ask him why they were playing so badly? All we heard were defensive comebacks like, " I didn't forget how to coach" and "we've won some big games here"....

He made it perfectly clear in public about his quest to coach again. Details of his interview at Kansas were made public. IT was embarrassing to him. Google it and learn some things. Oh, yeah, the "I'm interviewing schools as much as they're interviewing me" public comment didn't help himself. When the Notre Dame job came open, he was interested per his public comments. They never gave him a sniff. Wonder why?

He did a lot of great things for the program, no doubt. I respect him for it, but it was time for the program to move on without him. Those who believe he should have been retained are either tied to tightly to him emotionally or they are ignorant of his career track and record and how he was at the helm when this thing started sliding into the ditch
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If that was true, then from 1952-1990 were in the dump.
 
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