Fulmer Debate II

#851
#851
PimpVol
govols/cc
Vol4Life25
utgibbs
volfanecs (you're still my boy :))

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#852
#852
bamacheats said:
PimpVol
govols/cc
Vol4Life25
utgibbs
volfanecs (you're still my boy :))

Fulmer is proud to have the finest posters in all of VN supporting him.
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That is a strong list of posters.

utgibbs said it a long time ago: the further away we got from Fulmer, the more golden those years would seem. That's happening in a big way. utgibbs got excoriated a few years ago for suggesting Fulmer would be a first ballot HoF. People on this board were saying No Way That Happens. Attacking Fulmer was the norm.

The reverse is true now. Even in general threads, if someone lobs a "Phil" quib, it gets shot down immediately, and not by the guys listed above.

The Fulmer years were a special time. People thought the "down years" couldn't get worse. How wrong they all were; how easy it was not.
 
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bamacheats said:
PimpVol
govols/cc
Vol4Life25
utgibbs
volfanecs (you're still my boy :))

Fulmer is proud to have the finest posters in all of VN supporting him.
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The reverse sarcasm is ironic. Of course everybody should take anything a guy says who supposedly drives a golf ball 400 yards with a smooth, "keep it in play" swing with a grain of salt.
 
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#855
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volfanecs said:
You might want to check 1992. And spell check is your friend.
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Sorry-didn't know we had the grammer police in action but it proves my point in this debate. One, since you're attacking my spelling then you don't have a valid arguement. Two, if YOU go check 1992, YOU will see that Foolmer is credited with the first three wins of the season. Now, you may not be of the intellect but that represents Majors not being there at the beginning of the season! :crazy:
 
#856
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knoxvols11 said:
Sorry-didn't know we had the grammer police in action but it proves my point in this debate. One, since you're attacking my spelling then you don't have a valid arguement. Two, if YOU go check 1992, YOU will see that Foolmer is credited with the first three wins of the season. Now, you may not be of the intellect but that represents Majors not being there at the beginning of the season! :crazy:
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*grammar.....maybe it's hard to argue with someone who can't spell or use words in proper context on a regular basis. This just shows your general intelligence in the debate.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
Sorry-didn't know we had the grammer police in action but it proves my point in this debate. One, since you're attacking my spelling then you don't have a valid arguement. Two, if YOU go check 1992, YOU will see that Foolmer is credited with the first three wins of the season. Now, you may not be of the intellect but that represents Majors not being there at the beginning of the season! :crazy:
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Foolmer? If you want to question intellect, look in the mirror. After you have completed that task, check the 1992 season record.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
That is a strong list of posters.

utgibbs said it a long time ago: the further away we got from Fulmer, the more golden those years would seem. That's happening in a big way. utgibbs got excoriated a few years ago for suggesting Fulmer would be a first ballot HoF. People on this board were saying No Way That Happens. Attacking Fulmer was the norm.

The reverse is true now. Even in general threads, if someone lobs a "Phil" quib, it gets shot down immediately, and not by the guys listed above.

The Fulmer years were a special time. People thought the "down years" couldn't get worse. How wrong they all were; how easy it was not.
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I knew utgibbs would reveal himself. Fulmorons just can't help it.
 
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govols/cc said:
The reverse sarcasm is ironic. Of course everybody should take anything a guy says who supposedly drives a golf ball 400 yards with a smooth, "keep it in play" swing with a grain of salt.
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Offer still stands community college. Put up some money and we'll tee em up.
 
#862
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knoxvols11 said:
When he took over on that interim basis they hadn't even played a game. In fact no college game had been played that yearr! So, they weren't loosing. The too much credit part comes from him taking over a program-not building it!
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Did you skip most of 1977 to 1988? Before Fulmer was the OC and recruiting coordinator, Tennessee was stunningly mediocre during a down time in the SEC.

How did Majors do when went to Pitt in the mid-90s? How did he do without Fulmer then?
 
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#863
#863
just think,if CPF would have been retained he would of had been the coach with the most wins in UT history and i do think,he would have the Vols back to kicking some ass now ,but that is just me :)
 
#864
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governmentmule said:
just think,if CPF would have been retained he would of had been the coach with the most wins in UT history and i do think,he would have the Vols back to kicking some ass now ,but that is just me :)
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No...You have company in that opinion...I'm in the other court. I raved on and on back in the day...on tos...about how Coach Fulmer had earned the right to leave on his own terms WHEN HE WANTED...And comparisons to other great coaches who were given opportunities to adjust and reinvent came up in said rants....But there was a downward arc that coincided with his last seven years...I don't label it as complacency or laziness like other posters have opined. Coach Fulmer was a success at every rung of his career...OL Coach...OC...and of course, head coach. The national championship was a culmination of all his strengths...recruiting, player relationships and development, loyalty to his system and assistants and immersion of all Vol tradition. He was Tennessee at it's best...But even at his best, he was outcoached technically by many of his peers...most notably Spurrier and Richt...imo...there's no shame in that of course, and his plusses regularly kept him at the top. Cutcliffe tended to the offense and ingrained fundamentals and basics along with a scheme that maximized the potential of Fulmer's star recruits....when he left,the sheer talent on the team had us coasting for three years under Sanders,but for whatever reason, the new talent didn't develop...probably due to new coaching growing pains. Since Fulmer was a successful OC, it was assumed he could groom a new Cutcliffe....but he was never able to...overcompensating via micromanaging after Cut's second departure was the proverbial STRAW...Fulmer lost control of the program at the end....talent didn't develop and players were undisciplined and off-field issues became a constant theme....it was bad at the end...just because there were bad hires after his firing doesn't change that.
 
#865
#865
butchna said:
No...You have company in that opinion...I'm in the other court. I raved on and on back in the day.\ best... he could groom a new Cutcliffe....but he was never able to....
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i do have to agree with a lot of your points, if he would of hired a great OC him and Chief would still be at UT and still be kicking some ass,but we will never know,to me that is the sad part and hind sight does all ways look good :hi:
 
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VegasVol said:
Did you skip most of 1977 to 1988? Before Fulmer was the OC and recruiting coordinator, Tennessee was stunningly mediocre during a down time in the SEC.

How did Majors do when went to Pitt in the mid-90s? How did he do without Fulmer then?
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I specifically remember the 85' & 87' teams and several good ones before and after. But, how has Fulmer done since 08'? That's right-he hasn't done anything because rest of college football knows he was just part of the system here at UT!
 
#868
#868
It's evident that a lot of poster in this thread, don't let facts get in the way of a good arguement
 
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